1991 Role Play: Brainstorming and Planning

I am still deciding whether I want to request that countries can make tensions for allies and have to do so for a joint war declaration

They must anniunce the alliance in public 48 hours at least before war satrts

AleksanderZ wrote:

I think we should have the USA “occupy” Benelux, like they did in the 1949 RP.

Carking the 6th wrote:

noblebright wrote:

GeneralTanke wrote:

This is my reform plan:

Before declaring war, you must declare tensions. After you publish an article in the news, you must wait 3 real world days(72 hours) before declaring war. When you declare war, you must write an article and combat can start 24 hours after that declaration.

Whenever you make an article for the purposes of tensions, at the end, you must state the country you are creating tensions with and the amount of time you have been making tensions for. For example, "Tensions with poland, 1/3". This statement must be one line after the article is done, so that it is clearly separated from the main text. It is also encouraged to say "Tensions with insert nation here:" and then the main title in the title of the article. Whenever you declare war, you must have the declaration of war as the title. At the end of the article, you must cite the articles used to build up tensions by name and day published. It is ok if the war declaration is a couple minutes early.

It is possible to make tensions with multiple nations and/or make tensions on the behalf of multiple nations. You must be clear.

The format for those cases must be:

Nations, nation, nation, etc are on day x of tensions with nation, nation, nation, and nation. Whenever referring to an alliance, you must list all nations in that alliance.

You can include allies in a war declaration even if they didn't make tensions*. An ally would have to declare war and then in 24 hours, fighting between the ally and your enemies can start. When an ally joins a war, the ally must set relations to right of way any nations that it is declaring war on that have troops in the ally's land. This is to give the nation that the ally is declaring war on time to pull out those troops. If you wish to change relations from right of way to peace with a nation that has troops in your land, you must give the nation 24 hours to move out their troops. If any troops are in your nation for longer than that time, you can fire on them as long as they are not moving out of your country. Additionally, you can be prevented by the mods from setting relations to peace if it is confirmed that someone will be inactive for RL reasons.

*I'm considering adding that you cannot join someone else's war declaration on someone you have share map with.

I disagree with the "tensions with insert name here x/3," but I do still think that tensions must be made clear. Perhaps an article can only build tensions with one country at a time, and must do nothing but build tensions. I very strongly oppose your idea of being able to make tensions on behalf of multiple nations, as it seems pretty clear to me the chaos that will cause when somebody makes tensions on someone else on another countries behalf, against their will. The only situation in which this could work is in the case of puppet states, which can be forced to go to war anyway. Either way, I dont see a reason why anyone should get out of writing their articles. The third proposal, concerning transitions from right of way to peace or embargo, does sound like a good idea.

I’m gonna have to be with Tanke on this one. Having to have everyone justify on everyone individually would be a disgusting mess that would require like 50 articles that would not be read, ruining their purpose in the first place.

Though it should be changed from 3 days to at least 2 since this is a much smaller map.

GeneralTanke wrote:

I am still deciding whether I want to request that countries can make tensions for allies and have to do so for a joint war declaration

TheZhukov wrote:

They must anniunce the alliance in public 48 hours at least before war starts

AleksanderZ wrote:

I think we should have the USA “occupy” Benelux, like they did in the 1949 RP.

Me applied for Russia.

Claudio NVKP wrote:

Me applied for Russia.

TheZhukov wrote:

Donk2.0 wrote:

GeneralTanke wrote:

This is my reform plan:

Before declaring war, you must declare tensions. After you publish an article in the news, you must wait 3 real world days(72 hours) before declaring war. When you declare war, you must write an article and combat can start 24 hours after that declaration.

Whenever you make an article for the purposes of tensions, at the end, you must state the country you are creating tensions with and the amount of time you have been making tensions for. For example, "Tensions with poland, 1/3". This statement must be one line after the article is done, so that it is clearly separated from the main text. It is also encouraged to say "Tensions with insert nation here:" and then the main title in the title of the article. Whenever you declare war, you must have the declaration of war as the title. At the end of the article, you must cite the articles used to build up tensions by name and day published. It is ok if the war declaration is a couple minutes early.

It is possible to make tensions with multiple nations and/or make tensions on the behalf of multiple nations. You must be clear.

The format for those cases must be:

Nations, nation, nation, etc are on day x of tensions with nation, nation, nation, and nation. Whenever referring to an alliance, you must list all nations in that alliance.

You can include allies in a war declaration even if they didn't make tensions*. An ally would have to declare war and then in 24 hours, fighting between the ally and your enemies can start. When an ally joins a war, the ally must set relations to right of way any nations that it is declaring war on that have troops in the ally's land. This is to give the nation that the ally is declaring war on time to pull out those troops. If you wish to change relations from right of way to peace with a nation that has troops in your land, you must give the nation 24 hours to move out their troops. If any troops are in your nation for longer than that time, you can fire on them as long as they are not moving out of your country. Additionally, you can be prevented by the mods from setting relations to peace if it is confirmed that someone will be inactive for RL reasons.

*I'm considering adding that you cannot join someone else's war declaration on someone you have share map with.

this is pretty decent, but one thing that I disliked about the last RP was the escalating-secretly-through-puppets tactic.

You should be able to create tensions with them, but all alliances must be public

Zaktty wrote:

GeneralTanke wrote:

I am still deciding whether I want to request that countries can make tensions for allies and have to do so for a joint war declaration

TheZhukov wrote:

They must anniunce the alliance in public 48 hours at least before war starts

I think a simply solution to the declaring war on allies is that people in public alliances (it must be specified exactly who is in them) then they may join their ally at war immediately as they do. Secret alliances should be allowed, but they should have to build up tensions to a lesser extent (2 instead of 3 days) to declare war and join in.

GeneralTanke wrote:

Zaktty wrote:

GeneralTanke wrote:

I am still deciding whether I want to request that countries can make tensions for allies and have to do so for a joint war declaration

TheZhukov wrote:

They must anniunce the alliance in public 48 hours at least before war starts

I think a simply solution to the declaring war on allies is that people in public alliances (it must be specified exactly who is in them) then they may join their ally at war immediately as they do. Secret alliances should be allowed, but they should have to build up tensions to a lesser extent (2 instead of 3 days) to declare war and join in.

I insist that nations should not be able to fight without a 24 hour war declaration

6 hours, or maximum 8.

Claudio NVKP wrote:

6 hours, or maximum 8.

The Mister Class wrote:

Claudio NVKP wrote:

6 hours, or maximum 8.

True, that is better and the 24hr wait gives a massive disadvantage.

Like, you could declare war, and they would still be asleep when the fighting starts

So I think 10-12 hours is best

12 hrs is fine.

Claudio NVKP wrote:

12 hrs is fine.

GeneralTanke wrote:

Zaktty wrote:

GeneralTanke wrote:

I am still deciding whether I want to request that countries can make tensions for allies and have to do so for a joint war declaration

TheZhukov wrote:

They must anniunce the alliance in public 48 hours at least before war starts

I think a simply solution to the declaring war on allies is that people in public alliances (it must be specified exactly who is in them) then they may join their ally at war immediately as they do. Secret alliances should be allowed, but they should have to build up tensions to a lesser extent (2 instead of 3 days) to declare war and join in.

I insist that nations should not be able to fight without a 24 hour war declaration

noblebright wrote:

GeneralTanke wrote:

Zaktty wrote:

GeneralTanke wrote:

I am still deciding whether I want to request that countries can make tensions for allies and have to do so for a joint war declaration

TheZhukov wrote:

They must anniunce the alliance in public 48 hours at least before war starts

I think a simply solution to the declaring war on allies is that people in public alliances (it must be specified exactly who is in them) then they may join their ally at war immediately as they do. Secret alliances should be allowed, but they should have to build up tensions to a lesser extent (2 instead of 3 days) to declare war and join in.

I insist that nations should not be able to fight without a 24 hour war declaration

Yes. It wont work at all if people just attack in the middle of the night leaving you no time to respond.

I’m thinking we allow the defender to attack after the war declaration