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30 Oct 2023, 14:06
1967 Middle Eastern Map?
So I had an idea.
Wouldn't it be cool to have a Six Day's War Map?
It would be basically a HWW Map that only includes the Arab/Israeli region. The game would last six days. The Arab states would be all in a fixed coalition with each other, while Israel is completely on its own. The reason I suggest it like this is because:
A) Historical Accuracy
B) The Arab states will have mainly militia as their main force as it is Historically Based, whereas Israel will have a high-quality modern military made up of professional career soldiers not just from Israel, but also from the US, Germany, France, Britain, etc.
The game would start with Israel at war with everyone else on the map (being the United Arab Republic, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Kuwait, Egypt and Jordan). Israel wins if it has retained all of its land that it has at the start of the game, but it can conquer foreign territories. The Arab Coalition wins if they have not.
Most of the Arab States would be Axis doctrine, but they could be any doctrine depending on the government in place at the start of the Six Day's War. Meanwhile Israel is Allied, however we all know foreign aid played a huge role in this war. Any units at the start of the game that are there as a result of foreign aid would be given the doctrine of the country that they come from, while any units from Israel or produced in Israel will be given the Allied Doctrine.
As for the West Bank, it would start the game on 25% morale and qualify as a Non-Core province, whereas all other territories will start on 70% unless there is another province which was also won in battle, which I'm sure there are. And yes, Gaza will be a major city.
Each country will have 5 cities each.
One thing I would also like to have in this game mode is a Civilian Population count. This will give the Arab states an edge, which will become apparent later. The civilian population is the actual civilian population of each country in 1967. You can bring the civilian population down by Terrorist Attacks (perpetrated by Spies), or bombing campaigns, etc. If the civilian population goes down, it will affect the province morale and soldiers morale (another thing I'd like in this game. For every ten percent below target morale the soldiers are at the start of the game, they lose a Hitpoint. Bytro, plz add soldier morale). The Arab states will have an advantage here as they will start with plenty of spies, who you can send on terrorist attacks or suicide bombings. Israel could also use this to their advantage with total war bombing campaigns, however.
So what do you guys think? I would love to hear your feedback 
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Talvisota of the Abrahamic Caliphate
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30 Oct 2023, 14:18
and if you has a shit load of casualties
you get bombed by NATO!!!!
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30 Oct 2023, 16:01
Ahhhh thank you! I only started playing the game a few months ago, so I don't know this stuff. It would be cool to see it affect Province morale though.Fox-Company wrote:
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Talvisota of the Abrahamic Caliphate
Talvisota of the Abrahamic Caliphate
30 Oct 2023, 16:48
It does! "Expansion" is the morale penalty for having too many people under your rule, pretty cool eh?Talvisota wrote:
Ahhhh thank you! I only started playing the game a few months ago, so I don't know this stuff. It would be cool to see it affect Province morale though.Fox-Company wrote:
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30 Oct 2023, 16:50
Huh
too many people under your rule heh....
*looks at india and china*
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30 Oct 2023, 16:52
Seems like a cool idea. We need a new map soon!
30 Oct 2023, 16:53
we got too many maps alr..
dont need to overdo it
"Hate, union, freedom, justice, equality, war, peace, violence, blood. It is but a perfect mixture on destiny and our lives. It is for the mass we trust and for the mass we contribute, or to selfishly to personal greed we follow, it is up to your choices on what mixture you want. My mixture is a bit of everything with madness and humility in it, the virtues will black and sinful, just like I per say." - Kaiser Luther Ernst Willienburg.
30 Oct 2023, 16:54
We haven’t had a new one for 2 years!
30 Oct 2023, 17:13 (edited)
As a dude from this region, there is a lot to get through…
Arab states are unlikely to coordinate like a true coalition. In the real war, they played each other and screwed themselves over, often giving the Israelis ann advantage. I get the need for this in a sort of scenario like this one, though.
Both the Arabs and Israelis mainly used conscripts. In fact most of Israeli forces were conscripts mobilized from the reserves, while the Arab States didn’t have time to truly mobilize before the war ended and mainly used active duty forces.
Israel did not officially go to war with more than Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Jordan. The United Arab republic dissolved in 1961. Arab states would mainly be allied or commie, as their equipment came from those places. Their tactics were closer to the USSR as well.
West Bank suggestion is strange. Remember, it’s part of Jordan and wouldn’t just immediately revolt… I’ve never even seen Bytro make maps with edited morale before. I believe it all starts at 70%.
Each country having 5 cities? So Egypt and Lebanon would have the same amount of cities? Don’t see how that would work.
This whole thing is very unbalanced against Israel. In our timeline they attacked the unprepared Arabs by surprise, actually outnumbering their unmobilized enemies throughout the entire war. The Arab states did not work as allies or coordinate, only looking out for themselves. None of this would be historically accurate. That is not to mention the fact that this games tech does not go into the 60’s, stoping in the 50’s.
And of course we need to talk about the political climate. I don’t see anything related to the Middle East ever coming out, when there is literally a war going on! And allowing terrorism and war crimes? Why? Bytro would get canceled.. the Holocaust and Holodomor is not in the game for a reason… and the population mechanic has never been played with. Not to mention that the Arab states never did and still haven’t sponsored any terrorist attacks or organizations. These were Palestinian militants such as Hamas or much less often the PLO, which while sometimes housed by Arab states were not sponsored by them. In fact they have often fought (see Black September in Jordan). Even then suicide attacks and real terrorism was more often in the 70’s- 90’s.
So overall the political climate, constraints of the game and realism all come down to make this very unlikely. Wouldn’t mind a Middle East map, but not like this.
CarKing the 6th of the Abrahamic Caliphate
30 Oct 2023, 18:02
Fair point. Promptly realised this is a TERRIBLE idea lol.Carking the 6th wrote:
As a dude from this region, there is a lot to get through…Arab states are unlikely to coordinate like a true coalition. In the real war, they played each other and screwed themselves over, often giving the Israelis and advantage. I get the need for this sort of scenario though.
Both the Arabs and Israelis mainly used conscripts. I’m fact most of Israeli forces were conscripts mobilized from the reserves, while the Arab States didn’t have time to truly mobilize before the war ended and mainly used active duty forces.
Israel did not officially go to war with more than Egypt, Syria Lebanon and Jordan. The United Arab republic dissolved in 1961. Arab states would mainly be allied or commie, as their equipment came from those places. Their doctrine was closer to the USSR as well.
West Bank suggestion is strange. Remember, it’s part of Jordan and wouldn’t just immediately revolt… I’ve never even seen Bytro make maps with edited morale before. I believe it all starts at 70%.
Each country having 5 cities? So Egypt and Lebanon would have the same amount of cities? Don’t see how that would work.
This whole thing is very unbalanced against Israel. In our timeline they attacked the unprepared Arabs by surprise, actually outnumbering their unmobilized enemies throughout the entire war. The Arab states did not work as allies or coordinate, only looking out for themselves. None of this would be historically accurate. That is not to mention the fact that this games tech does not go into the 60’s, stoping in the 50’s.
And of course we need to talk about the political climate. I don’t see anything related to the Middle East ever coming out, when there is literally a war going on! And allowing terrorism and war crimes? Why? Bytro would get canceled.. the Holocaust and Holodomor is not in the game for a reason… and the population mechanic has never been played with. Not to mention that the Arab states never did and still haven’t sponsored any terrorist attacks or organizations. These were Palestinian militants such as Hamas or the PLO, which while sometimes housed by Arab states were not sponsored by them. In fact they have often fought (see Black September in Jordan).
So overall the political climate, constraints of the game and realism all come down to make this very unlikely. Wouldn’t mind a Middle East map, but not like this.
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Talvisota of the Abrahamic Caliphate
Talvisota of the Abrahamic Caliphate
30 Oct 2023, 18:23
Yeah what is the point of a map like this especially when there aren't more than a few WWII maps available. The only "historically accurate" map available now is the HWW and they got rid of the Endgame map. I've suggested a map before of a post-ww2 conflict between the major powers after Germany is split, which would've been way more interesting and relevant to the game.
30 Oct 2023, 18:30
Now THAT is a map I would play.Commander Schleicher wrote:
Yeah what is the point of a map like this especially when there aren't more than a few WWII maps available. The only "historically accurate" map available now is the HWW and they got rid of the Endgame map. I've suggested a map before of a post-ww2 conflict between the major powers after Germany is split, which would've been way more interesting and relevant to the game.
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Talvisota of the Abrahamic Caliphate
Talvisota of the Abrahamic Caliphate
30 Oct 2023, 19:09
Early cold war type thing, or right after Germany us destroyed and the remaining powers go to war.
30 Oct 2023, 20:03
1949, sort of operation unthinkable thing? Would be amazing .
CarKing the 6th of the Abrahamic Caliphate
30 Oct 2023, 20:50
Yeah especially at the right now. If there was a bad time to suggest this, it is now.Carking the 6th wrote:
And of course we need to talk about the political climate. I don’t see anything related to the Middle East ever coming out, when there is literally a war going on! And allowing terrorism and war crimes? Why? Bytro would get canceled.. the Holocaust and Holodomor is not in the game for a reason… and the population mechanic has never been played with. Not to mention that the Arab states never did and still haven’t sponsored any terrorist attacks or organizations. These were Palestinian militants such as Hamas or much less often the PLO, which while sometimes housed by Arab states were not sponsored by them. In fact they have often fought (see Black September in Jordan). Even then suicide attacks and real terrorism was more often in the 70’s- 90’s.So overall the political climate, constraints of the game and realism all come down to make this very unlikely. Wouldn’t mind a Middle East map, but not like this.
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30 Oct 2023, 21:06
Yeah.... this was a bad idea. I don't think I've ever embarassed myself on the internet this much before lol
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Talvisota of the Abrahamic Caliphate
Talvisota of the Abrahamic Caliphate
30 Oct 2023, 21:38
At least it’s an interesting premise.
CarKing the 6th of the Abrahamic Caliphate
30 Oct 2023, 21:49
It would probably fit more with CoN than any game from Bytro, since the game is focused more on Cold War/WW3 rather than WW2. Normal maps here start around 1933, which is over 30 years away from 1967. In CoN, some maps I know are set in the 80s so they are only 2 decades away. Not to mention the rapid technological advances during the cold war that make WW2 equipment look obsolete.
30 Oct 2023, 21:57
To be fair the technological advancement between 1939-1945 was probably the fastest military technology has ever advanced in human history.
CarKing the 6th of the Abrahamic Caliphate
30 Oct 2023, 22:03
I agree, but the Arabs or Israelis weren't using the Me 262 or the Sturmgewehr guns. I don't know a crazy amount of history on the 6 days war, but I do know that every aspect of their military was advanced from that point. Even at the end of WWII, it was still 22 years until that war happened.
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