It would be basically a HWW Map that only includes the Arab/Israeli region. The game would last six days. The Arab states would be all in a fixed coalition with each other, while Israel is completely on its own. The reason I suggest it like this is because:
A) Historical Accuracy
B) The Arab states will have mainly militia as their main force as it is Historically Based, whereas Israel will have a high-quality modern military made up of professional career soldiers not just from Israel, but also from the US, Germany, France, Britain, etc.
The game would start with Israel at war with everyone else on the map (being the United Arab Republic, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Kuwait, Egypt and Jordan). Israel wins if it has retained all of its land that it has at the start of the game, but it can conquer foreign territories. The Arab Coalition wins if they have not.
Most of the Arab States would be Axis doctrine, but they could be any doctrine depending on the government in place at the start of the Six Day's War. Meanwhile Israel is Allied, however we all know foreign aid played a huge role in this war. Any units at the start of the game that are there as a result of foreign aid would be given the doctrine of the country that they come from, while any units from Israel or produced in Israel will be given the Allied Doctrine.
As for the West Bank, it would start the game on 25% morale and qualify as a Non-Core province, whereas all other territories will start on 70% unless there is another province which was also won in battle, which I'm sure there are. And yes, Gaza will be a major city.
Each country will have 5 cities each.
One thing I would also like to have in this game mode is a Civilian Population count. This will give the Arab states an edge, which will become apparent later. The civilian population is the actual civilian population of each country in 1967. You can bring the civilian population down by Terrorist Attacks (perpetrated by Spies), or bombing campaigns, etc. If the civilian population goes down, it will affect the province morale and soldiers morale (another thing I'd like in this game. For every ten percent below target morale the soldiers are at the start of the game, they lose a Hitpoint. Bytro, plz add soldier morale). The Arab states will have an advantage here as they will start with plenty of spies, who you can send on terrorist attacks or suicide bombings. Israel could also use this to their advantage with total war bombing campaigns, however.
So what do you guys think? I would love to hear your feedback
"Imma play CoW to calm down" - Literally nobody ever Talvisota of the Abrahamic Caliphate
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1 Nov 2023, 20:31
I do not think this would be a good idea.
1) The timing is not correct, regardless of whether you all agree or not, there are accusations of war crimes being thrown at everyone, and being so controversial, plus against a religious backing, I highly doubt Bytro will approve this map.
2) Scale? Israel is tiny compared to the rest of the Middle East and you can't reasonably simulate this with the current CoW mechanics, experienced players will rush Israel because all they need to do is take a couple of Provinces.
3) Who wants to play the Arabs in this conflict? Maybe people will like Egypt, but who wants to be in Syria or Kuwait?
4) As Carking said, armies will be hard to simulate because they are both very reliant on conscripts, and the doctrines would not be very useful in this war, if the game lasts only 6 days, then who would want to be allied? As well as this, when you look at the statistics, the Arabs had much more kit than the Israelis, I don't actually know why Israel won, but it wasn't a numerical advantage, and if it was not numerical, it would be hard to simulate on CoW.
5) Server size would not work, there used to be 1v1 English Channel and 2v2 Mediterranean Maps, I personally like them, but Bytro stopped them due to it filling so many servers, and issues like people going inactive.
Thank you, even if it doesn't seem like it, these are meant to be constructive comments.
1 Nov 2023, 20:37
I think we've established that this is not a good idea.
"Imma play CoW to calm down" - Literally nobody ever Talvisota of the Abrahamic Caliphate
1 Nov 2023, 20:40
This suggestion is not meant to be in the game, I do not approve either because of mainly the above reasons.
This is more of a 'hypothetically fun' thread and not a serious one.
6.5/10.
The President
1 Nov 2023, 20:42
Indeed, very noble.
"Imma play CoW to calm down" - Literally nobody ever Talvisota of the Abrahamic Caliphate
1 Nov 2023, 20:43
(Referring to Claudio's comment and not the map idea)
"Imma play CoW to calm down" - Literally nobody ever Talvisota of the Abrahamic Caliphate
1 Nov 2023, 21:07
Carking the 6th wrote:
To be fair the technological advancement between 1939-1945 was probably the fastest military technology has ever advanced in human history.
And it was so unequal too!
The Netherlands, China, and many others went into the war virtually with WWI-era armies, with horse cavalry and bayonet charges. Germany and Britain had mechanised forces and tanks.
By the end of the war, the British were fielding jet fighters and MBTs, the Americans atom bombs, the soviets MLRS, and the Germans guided missiles.
Aeroplanes are interesting toys but of no military value. — Marshal Foch A pretty mechanical toy [...] the war will never be won by such machines. — Lord Kitchener, on tanks
1 Nov 2023, 21:44
Lord Crayfish wrote:
Carking the 6th wrote:
To be fair the technological advancement between 1939-1945 was probably the fastest military technology has ever advanced in human history.
And it was so unequal too!The Netherlands, China, and many others went into the war virtually with WWI-era armies, with horse cavalry and bayonet charges. Germany and Britain had mechanised forces and tanks.
By the end of the war, the British were fielding jet fighters and MBTs, the Americans atom bombs, the soviets MLRS, and the Germans guided missiles.
The Germans would have been on a nother level too, even compared to Britain, the Soviet Union, America, etc if they had succeeded at Telemark.
"Imma play CoW to calm down" - Literally nobody ever Talvisota of the Abrahamic Caliphate
1 Nov 2023, 22:12
Nah, their army was unmechanized, country was poorer, and the equipment they mainly used was always going to be worse. Just would not happen.
CarKing the 6th of the Abrahamic Caliphate
2 Nov 2023, 11:37
Carking the 6th wrote:
Chinese armies 1937
ROC 2023
Being a patriot is not something I should be ashamed of.
2 Nov 2023, 11:41
A lot better off and more advanced then they were…?
CarKing the 6th of the Abrahamic Caliphate
2 Nov 2023, 12:43
Renarsm wrote:
Carking the 6th wrote:
Chinese armies 1937
ROC 2023
average nationalist response
even im smart enough to know my country army can't top off Brazil
"Hate, union, freedom, justice, equality, war, peace, violence, blood. It is but a perfect mixture on destiny and our lives. It is for the mass we trust and for the mass we contribute, or to selfishly to personal greed we follow, it is up to your choices on what mixture you want. My mixture is a bit of everything with madness and humility in it, the virtues will black and sinful, just like I per say." - Kaiser Luther Ernst Willienburg.
2 Nov 2023, 12:45
Carking the 6th wrote:
Italian army 1917
Italian army 1866 during the prussian conquest
"Hate, union, freedom, justice, equality, war, peace, violence, blood. It is but a perfect mixture on destiny and our lives. It is for the mass we trust and for the mass we contribute, or to selfishly to personal greed we follow, it is up to your choices on what mixture you want. My mixture is a bit of everything with madness and humility in it, the virtues will black and sinful, just like I per say." - Kaiser Luther Ernst Willienburg.
2 Nov 2023, 13:07
Italian army 1896
CarKing the 6th of the Abrahamic Caliphate
2 Nov 2023, 14:06
KaiserOfAnonymous wrote:
Renarsm wrote:
Carking the 6th wrote:
Chinese armies 1937
ROC 2023
average nationalist responseeven im smart enough to know my country army can't top off Brazil
I meant that it sucks. Not that ROC has good troops
Being a patriot is not something I should be ashamed of.
2 Nov 2023, 14:07
KaiserOfAnonymous wrote:
Renarsm wrote:
Carking the 6th wrote:
Chinese armies 1937
ROC 2023
average nationalist responseeven im smart enough to know my country army can't top off Brazil
Doesn’t your country have like 4x the size Force? I mean maybe not as advanced but still…
CarKing the 6th of the Abrahamic Caliphate
2 Nov 2023, 14:51
Carking the 6th wrote:
KaiserOfAnonymous wrote:
Renarsm wrote:
Carking the 6th wrote:
Chinese armies 1937
ROC 2023
average nationalist responseeven im smart enough to know my country army can't top off Brazil
Doesn’t your country have like 4x the size Force? I mean maybe not as advanced but still…
that's literally comparing Germany to the USSR
"Hate, union, freedom, justice, equality, war, peace, violence, blood. It is but a perfect mixture on destiny and our lives. It is for the mass we trust and for the mass we contribute, or to selfishly to personal greed we follow, it is up to your choices on what mixture you want. My mixture is a bit of everything with madness and humility in it, the virtues will black and sinful, just like I per say." - Kaiser Luther Ernst Willienburg.
2 Nov 2023, 14:52
sticking to good ol' 1970s soviet weapon is somehow a bad decision
also can someone argue about which is better, M1 abram or the T90
"Hate, union, freedom, justice, equality, war, peace, violence, blood. It is but a perfect mixture on destiny and our lives. It is for the mass we trust and for the mass we contribute, or to selfishly to personal greed we follow, it is up to your choices on what mixture you want. My mixture is a bit of everything with madness and humility in it, the virtues will black and sinful, just like I per say." - Kaiser Luther Ernst Willienburg.
2 Nov 2023, 15:25
Ask Ukraine
KaiserOfAnonymous wrote:
Carking the 6th wrote:
KaiserOfAnonymous wrote:
Renarsm wrote:
Carking the 6th wrote:
Chinese armies 1937
ROC 2023
average nationalist responseeven im smart enough to know my country army can't top off Brazil
Doesn’t your country have like 4x the size Force? I mean maybe not as advanced but still…
that's literally comparing Germany to the USSR
Still, stronger overall in the moment.
CarKing the 6th of the Abrahamic Caliphate
2 Nov 2023, 15:30
only if the government actually do something useful
I barely see any good policies being passed on the news (which are just mostly disasters report and more nationalist propaganda)
Like I get that military is not the way but you have china on your borders, which you have a conflict with 40 years ago, stealing your islands
"Hate, union, freedom, justice, equality, war, peace, violence, blood. It is but a perfect mixture on destiny and our lives. It is for the mass we trust and for the mass we contribute, or to selfishly to personal greed we follow, it is up to your choices on what mixture you want. My mixture is a bit of everything with madness and humility in it, the virtues will black and sinful, just like I per say." - Kaiser Luther Ernst Willienburg.
2 Nov 2023, 15:32
South East Asian government being competent challenge (impossible)
