AA No Fly Zone

newbgamer101 wrote:

IRL, WWII anti-air artillery was able to engage any and all planes they detected flying within a certain area of the battery. I think this should be implemented into the game as well. This would be represented by a shaded circle similar to the patrol area for aerial units. It would not be nearly as large (maybe 5 or 10 range), but would work similarly. Any aerial unit flying in the shaded circle would be dealt a certain (smaller) percentage of the anti-air's damage. This would only be possible once every 5-10 minutes.

Feedback is much appreciated! I'm sure I've forgotten to take certain things into account.

MiloK32 wrote:

It is

Yeah I patrolled over a city with AA yesterday and lost the plane.

Oh that's not what I'm talking about. When you patrol over an area your plane will make an attack with a certain percent of its damage (like I proposed with aa) but will receive full damage. If there was a unit within the patrol circle then that unit dealt the entiretly of it's defense damage to that plane every 15 minutes when the plane made an attack.

What I am proposing is a similar mechanic with aa units, except they would automatically deal a percentage of damage to any enemy aerial unit that even flies within the "patrol area".

newbgamer101 wrote:

Oh that's not what I'm talking about. When you patrol over an area your plane will make an attack with a certain percent of its damage (like I proposed with aa) but will receive full damage. If there was a unit within the patrol circle then that unit dealt the entiretly of it's defense damage to that plane every 15 minutes when the plane made an attack.

What I am proposing is a similar mechanic with aa units, except they would automatically deal a percentage of damage to any enemy aerial unit that even flies within the "patrol area".

Unless it's been changed in the last month or so since I last played, it does not do that.

newbgamer101 wrote:

IRL, WWII anti-air artillery was able to engage any and all planes they detected flying within a certain area of the battery. I think this should be implemented into the game as well. This would be represented by a shaded circle similar to the patrol area for aerial units. It would not be nearly as large (maybe 5 or 10 range), but would work similarly. Any aerial unit flying in the shaded circle would be dealt a certain (smaller) percentage of the anti-air's damage. This would only be possible once every 5-10 minutes.

Feedback is much appreciated! I'm sure I've forgotten to take certain things into account.

newbgamer101 wrote:

but will receive full damage.

MiloK32 wrote:

I think it does that

Having no fly zones is technically bad.

You would need waypoints for your planes to fly to to avoid these areas and if doing a direct attack upon reachs your intented destination, your planes would fly back to base in a straight line right through these no fly zones.

Hornetkeeper wrote:

I think it's a good idea, but there are many other factors like height and weather. Implementing this without adding those wouldn't make it any more realistic, only more complicated. As much of the player base doesn't have the "intelligence" and commitment for a complicated game, there is a large emphasis on making the game simple. AA is also simplified in the way that it works exactly like other ground units, except its defensive damage vs. planes is high.

Hornetkeeper wrote:

Ground and naval units can only deal damage to flying planes defensively. You just can't deal damage to any plane in the air without using another plane, or without the enemy plane attacking you in the first place (patrolling, direct attack)[...] But, there is no way to really "attack" a plane in the air with the ground or naval units directly. It does not do that, if your planes get damaged it's because you're patrolling, and patrolling is attacking with 1/2 offensive damage and receiving 1/2 offensive damage back from all enemy armies within the patrol circle every 15 minutes. So, when patrolling, you're attacking in the first place (!). If you just sent planes to patrol and never let their 15-minute patrol timer run out, you could fly over as much and as high-levelled AA as you want, and would never receive the slightest damage.

I'm just trying to explain why there's no place for this feature in the game. Realism is only a secondary objective, the first being manageability balanced out with strategy and its options. Realistic games are, for some, just too detailed and a pain to manage. There is no need to complicate the game, especially if the balance between realism and playability is so well achieved. As I said, most of the players aren't "smart enough", if I may say it the clearer way, to manage such a complicated game. So those realistic features (surely have been suggested before) are kept out, the complication they bring just has more negative effect than the fun they add has positive.

Not saying realisticity isn't important though, because the game being approximately realistic makes the strategy more intuitive, it'd be unfamiliar otherwise.

I perfectly understand what you're saying. This suggestion just isn't it. I get it. But I would like a way for ground/sea units to deal offensive damage to aerial units.

I think it’s a great idea and they should add it into the game