Are you sure there are no AA's in the stack?
28 Mar 2016, 20:50
Air Power?
I don't understand why infantry or armor that is unprotected by anti-aircraft or air cover can so degrade bomber units. In reality such a condition would be suicide for the ground units, especially if they are in open country outside of any kind of fortification. It's kind of silly for me to build or pursue air power when it can be defeated by infantry.
Am I the victim of some sort of hack? I currently in a game where my bombers are being shoot down by simple infantry, it just doesn't make sense
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29 Mar 2016, 13:47
Yes, it was infantry and armor, I'm sure. Very early in the game and I have airpower before anyone else so no one has much allowed for this. This sever acts kind of screwy anyway, theres a lot of stuff going on that doesn't make sense. I seems very buggy.
29 Mar 2016, 15:08
Well, low level TB are pretty crap anyway. Especially if it is only one or two TB attacking a big stack.
29 Mar 2016, 16:18
Well, I agree with you. It is simply unrealistic that infantry has such a high AA value. If faced by a 'Stuka' dive-bomber, the infantry would cower in any cover they could find. Hell, even P-51 Mustangs, flying at low altitude, loaded with bombs, could take out a column of Tigers, and they (or the infantry with the Tigers) couldn't do shit about it. I think that TBs values should not be made bigger, but infantry and armor units should definitely have a very low/non-existent AA value.1tituspullo wrote:
I don't understand why infantry or armor that is unprotected by anti-aircraft or air cover can so degrade bomber units. In reality such a condition would be suicide for the ground units, especially if they are in open country outside of any kind of fortification. It's kind of silly for me to build or pursue air power when it can be defeated by infantry.Am I the victim of some sort of hack? I currently in a game where my bombers are being shoot down by simple infantry, it just doesn't make sense
The past is a foreign country.
29 Mar 2016, 21:53
Agreed. Maybe only commandos because they'd probably just fire back.Pablo22510 wrote:
Well, I agree with you. It is simply unrealistic that infantry has such a high AA value. If faced by a 'Stuka' dive-bomber, the infantry would cower in any cover they could find. Hell, even P-51 Mustangs, flying at low altitude, loaded with bombs, could take out a column of Tigers, and they (or the infantry with the Tigers) couldn't do shit about it. I think that TBs values should not be made bigger, but infantry and armor units should definitely have a very low/non-existent AA value.1tituspullo wrote:
I don't understand why infantry or armor that is unprotected by anti-aircraft or air cover can so degrade bomber units. In reality such a condition would be suicide for the ground units, especially if they are in open country outside of any kind of fortification. It's kind of silly for me to build or pursue air power when it can be defeated by infantry.Am I the victim of some sort of hack? I currently in a game where my bombers are being shoot down by simple infantry, it just doesn't make sense
Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival.
-Winston Churchill
Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching.
-George S. Patton
-Winston Churchill
Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching.
-George S. Patton
30 Mar 2016, 04:37
it is unrealistic for infantry and armor to have some value against bombers, i think we should remove AA values of all ground units other than the Anti-air, its funny to imagine a rifle downing a bomber hundread feet in the air. talk about lucky shot.
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30 Mar 2016, 10:07
I take it you have never heard of the British in their Fairy Battles in France? They were shot down so fast by small arms fire they did not even get to drop their load.V1nd1cat0r wrote:
it is unrealistic for infantry and armor to have some value against bombers, i think we should remove AA values of all ground units other than the Anti-air, its funny to imagine a rifle downing a bomber hundread feet in the air. talk about lucky shot.
30 Mar 2016, 13:23
never heard of it, but sure maybe a machine gun pointing at a low flying plane have some credibility. is there an article for me to read this?
"Victory needs no explenation, defeat allows none"
-imperium thought of the day
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30 Mar 2016, 14:46
I read it in the book "The Battle of Britain: Five Months That Changed History; May-October 1940" by James Holland, not sure if there is online stuff but there probably is, somewhere.V1nd1cat0r wrote:
never heard of it, but sure maybe a machine gun pointing at a low flying plane have some credibility. is there an article for me to read this?
30 Mar 2016, 16:02
One case in a million. Mate, no person in their right mind stays out in the open when facing a the high-pitched whine of a Stuka dive bomber. Oh, and just to prove my point, while Patton advanced deep into Germany, he was faced by many Tigers. In most cases, because Patton has CAS, his tanks didn't have to fire a shot as the Tigers were destroyed by bombs dropped from P-51s, and the Germans couldn't do shit about it.Quasi-duck wrote:
I take it you have never heard of the British in their Fairy Battles in France? They were shot down so fast by small arms fire they did not even get to drop their load.V1nd1cat0r wrote:
it is unrealistic for infantry and armor to have some value against bombers, i think we should remove AA values of all ground units other than the Anti-air, its funny to imagine a rifle downing a bomber hundread feet in the air. talk about lucky shot.
The past is a foreign country.
30 Mar 2016, 16:03
Source?Pablo22510 wrote:
In most cases, because Patton has CAS, his tanks didn't have to fire a shot as the Tigers were destroyed by bombs dropped from P-51s, and the Germans couldn't do shit about it
30 Mar 2016, 16:04
Let me find the documentary about it. It's called Patton 360º, but it has 12 episodes and I can't recall which one it was. I'll give you the link in 5 mins.Quasi-duck wrote:
Source?Pablo22510 wrote:
In most cases, because Patton has CAS, his tanks didn't have to fire a shot as the Tigers were destroyed by bombs dropped from P-51s, and the Germans couldn't do shit about it
The past is a foreign country.
30 Mar 2016, 16:07
Okay, is it on Netflix?Pablo22510 wrote:
I'll give you the link in 5 mins.
30 Mar 2016, 16:08
Nope.
The past is a foreign country.
30 Mar 2016, 16:09
Damn, probably won't be able to watch it so.
30 Mar 2016, 16:12
I think it was this one. Not sure though, but it's the most likely one to be:
The past is a foreign country.
30 Mar 2016, 16:12
Aight, thanks.
30 Mar 2016, 20:05
Read any WW2 book on D-Day and the events soon after. That just shows how useless it is to try and fire at a plane heading at you with rockets or bombs.
Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival.
-Winston Churchill
Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching.
-George S. Patton
-Winston Churchill
Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching.
-George S. Patton
31 Mar 2016, 14:12
Interesting suggestion!Kehsct wrote:
Read any WW2 book on D-Day and the events soon after. That just shows how useless it is to try and fire at a plane heading at you with rockets or bombs.
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31 Mar 2016, 14:16
No it isn't. Most bombings on D-Day were from high-altitude bombers, by what are strats in this game. So the idea is a stupid one.Maximilien wrote:
Interesting suggestion!
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