Air Power?

1tituspullo · 2016-03-28T20:18:36.000Z

I don't understand why infantry or armor that is unprotected by anti-aircraft or air cover can so degrade bomber units. In reality such a condition would be suicide for the ground units, especially if they are in open country outside of any kind of fortification. It's kind of silly for me to build or pursue air power when it can be defeated by infantry. Am I the victim of some sort of hack? I currently in a game where my bombers are being shoot down by simple infantry, it just doesn't m

31 Mar 2016, 14:17

@Quasi-duck

Aviation was vital in the Normandy landings.

"I came, I saw, I conquered" Written in a report to Rome 47 B.C., after conquering Pharnaces at Zela in Asia Minor in just five days; as quoted in Life of Caesar by Plutarch; reported to have been inscribed on one of the decorated wagons in the Pontic triumph, in Lives of the Twelve Caesars, Julius, by Suetonius.
"Alea iacta est" Gaius Julius Caesar.

31 Mar 2016, 14:18

Maximilien wrote:
Aviation was vital in the Normandy landings.

It was high altitude though. Meaning it would've been damn hard to shoot at them on a cloudy day with iron sights on you're rifle. The bombings didn't do much anyway.

31 Mar 2016, 14:19

Quasi-duck wrote:
Maximilien wrote:
Aviation was vital in the Normandy landings.
It was high altitude though. Meaning it would've been damn hard to shoot at them on a cloudy day with iron sights on you're rifle. The bombings didn't do much anyway.

The bombing towards German positions during the Normandy landings was terrible..

"I came, I saw, I conquered" Written in a report to Rome 47 B.C., after conquering Pharnaces at Zela in Asia Minor in just five days; as quoted in Life of Caesar by Plutarch; reported to have been inscribed on one of the decorated wagons in the Pontic triumph, in Lives of the Twelve Caesars, Julius, by Suetonius.
"Alea iacta est" Gaius Julius Caesar.

31 Mar 2016, 14:20

Maximilien wrote:
The bombing towards German positions during the Normandy landings was terrible..

Exactly, so bringing up a time when it was pointless to shoot at the bombers anyway is dumb.

31 Mar 2016, 14:23

Quasi-duck wrote:
Maximilien wrote:
The bombing towards German positions during the Normandy landings was terrible..
Exactly, so bringing up a time when it was pointless to shoot at the bombers anyway is dumb.

Perhaps.

"I came, I saw, I conquered" Written in a report to Rome 47 B.C., after conquering Pharnaces at Zela in Asia Minor in just five days; as quoted in Life of Caesar by Plutarch; reported to have been inscribed on one of the decorated wagons in the Pontic triumph, in Lives of the Twelve Caesars, Julius, by Suetonius.
"Alea iacta est" Gaius Julius Caesar.

31 Mar 2016, 14:24

Maximilien wrote:
Perhaps.

Perhaps? More like totally, I would think. The raids were conducted at night too, making the point weaker.

31 Mar 2016, 14:25

Quasi-duck wrote:
Maximilien wrote:
Perhaps.
Perhaps? More like totally, I would think. The raids were conducted at night too, making the point weaker.

This is other thread.

"I came, I saw, I conquered" Written in a report to Rome 47 B.C., after conquering Pharnaces at Zela in Asia Minor in just five days; as quoted in Life of Caesar by Plutarch; reported to have been inscribed on one of the decorated wagons in the Pontic triumph, in Lives of the Twelve Caesars, Julius, by Suetonius.
"Alea iacta est" Gaius Julius Caesar.

31 Mar 2016, 14:26

Maximilien wrote:
This is other thread.

What?

31 Mar 2016, 14:26

Quasi-duck wrote:
Maximilien wrote:
This is other thread.
What?

The Discussion of the Battle of the Normandy.

"I came, I saw, I conquered" Written in a report to Rome 47 B.C., after conquering Pharnaces at Zela in Asia Minor in just five days; as quoted in Life of Caesar by Plutarch; reported to have been inscribed on one of the decorated wagons in the Pontic triumph, in Lives of the Twelve Caesars, Julius, by Suetonius.
"Alea iacta est" Gaius Julius Caesar.

31 Mar 2016, 14:44

Maximilien wrote:
The Discussion of the Battle of the Normandy.

There is no other thread for this. It is relevant anyway, as someone brought up Normandy as an "example" of when bombers are "superior" to ground forces.

31 Mar 2016, 16:44

Quasi-duck wrote:
Maximilien wrote:
Aviation was vital in the Normandy landings.
It was high altitude though. Meaning it would've been damn hard to shoot at them on a cloudy day with iron sights on you're rifle. The bombings didn't do much anyway.

Mate, if I recall well, there were P-51 fighter-bombers all over Normandy at the time.

The past is a foreign country.

31 Mar 2016, 16:48

Pablo22510 wrote:
Mate, if I recall well, there were P-51 fighter-bombers all over Normandy at the time.

Didn't do much though, did they? It was ships that had to knock out the beach defenses.

31 Mar 2016, 16:51

Quasi-duck wrote:
Pablo22510 wrote:
Mate, if I recall well, there were P-51 fighter-bombers all over Normandy at the time.
Didn't do much though, did they? It was ships that had to knock out the beach defenses.

They knocked out German armor counterattacks.

The past is a foreign country.

31 Mar 2016, 16:52

Pablo22510 wrote:
They knocked out German armor counterattacks

I thought you said before it was the paratroopers that did this, just like in Sicily?

31 Mar 2016, 16:55

Quasi-duck wrote:
Pablo22510 wrote:
They knocked out German armor counterattacks
I thought you said before it was the paratroopers that did this, just like in Sicily?

Both did that. Paratroopers had pretty much no AT weapons, but they had CAS they called in to knock out GErman counterattacks coming from Cherbourg and Calais.

The past is a foreign country.

31 Mar 2016, 16:58

Pablo22510 wrote:
Paratroopers had pretty much no AT weapons

You do know that they had tanks and AT guns as well as artillery, right?

1 Apr 2016, 02:00

Guys, I did say the days after D-Day. There are a number of accounts of American and British fighter/fight-bomber air strikes on German convoys.

Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival.
-Winston Churchill
Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching.
-George S. Patton

1 Apr 2016, 13:37

Kehsct wrote:
Read any WW2 book on D-Day and the events soon after.

You said on the day and after it. On the day, they did very little and ships had to do it. Have you heard of how well they worked at Arnhem? They did terrible....

2 Apr 2016, 02:32 (edited)

Quasi-duck wrote:
Kehsct wrote:
Read any WW2 book on D-Day and the events soon after.
You said on the day and after it. On the day, they did very little and ships had to do it. Have you heard of how well they worked at Arnhem? They did terrible....

Allied intelligence was surprised during Market Garden. They had no idea the Panzers were there.

Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival.
-Winston Churchill
Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching.
-George S. Patton

2 Apr 2016, 10:35

Kehsct wrote:
They had no idea the Panzers were there.

Well, aerial reconnaissance should've seen them and the CAS from the paratroopers should've taken them out. I was on about the CAS that the reinforcements had, which did very little as they were constantly being ambushed by AT guns and such on narrow marsh roads.

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