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Ye an argument could be made that with if Hitler was killed in a coup or something that Germany would have survived longer (especially if one of the more sane generals like von Manstein or Guderian were in charge), but still would prolly have lost by 1946-47. High chance tho if the war went for that long, the Soviets would have made a buncha more demands in Europe, essentially asking for all of mainland Europe except France and Italy, which the Allies could not have granted them. WW3 (or a continuation of WW2 with different factions) would be very likely, and very possible that for a negotiated surrender and release of members of the Wehrmacht that weren't war criminals, Germany in some form would have either let the Allies thru their land or even joined them to fend off the Soviets. Either way, American nukes would (prolly) have won the day

Why? Hitler was right many times when overriding his generals, like going for the oil rather than Moscow, or trying to cancel operation citadel. Stuff like that balances out stuff like the Bulge. Not to mention that your god that you fanatically fight for dying would kinda ruin morale… the Nazis made things much more about their party than it was about the country, so their ideology could not handle that. They probably lose at around the same time.

Carking the 6th wrote:

“Could Germany have won (even in part)?” No. They couldn’t have. They could take every population center west of the Urals, but that’s it. They’d still have to fight endless partisans and be bled dry while forces from the east (which would still have millions of people and considerable industry). More importantly they would have to win a war of extermination, which would be impossible. They would only accept total victory, which means your point about winning (but not absolutely) cannot really work. They wanted to wipe out practically all Slavs and both sides knew this and planned to fight to the death. With constant allied bombings and your already thin by even 1942 manpower being constantly bled by partisans, the German army would eventually collapse and be forced back. Germany at this point was simply too small and weak, and up against too many enemies to win the war in the war it was fought. You can’t hold onto a place 5x your size when you’re trying to kill everyone there as well.

As for Soviet Industry… well…

That’s kinda debatable, considering the overall numbers. Also factor in that lend lease (4-10% of Soviet equipment in the war came from it, though almost completely after 1942) may have been increased if push came to shove and the Soviets started breaking. At the end of the war the USSR still had 11-14 million soldiers, combined with about 5 million allied forces in Europe. Germany mobilized a total of 13.6 million in the entire war.

Could the Germans have won if they were not Nazis? Maybe, they could work with anti-Soviet populations, and not waste resources on genocide, or throwing out crucial Jewish industry and scientists that could have helped them, etc… but WW2 as we knew it could now have been won by the Germans. If they went for Moscow and took it, they would just be forced back as the Soviet industry and Caucasus oil is still safe. If they went for Stalingrad? The Soviets would have sabotaged the oil fields, and by the time the Germans could get them online, kick them out. They could rely on a mix of reserves, Siberian fields and American oil until it’s taken back. It goes on. The Germans were out of offensive potential by the time Stalingrad was over, and could never go on the offensive again. Their forces near Moscow were stretched out. My point is that they couldn’t take all 3 of those cities as they simply didn’t have the capability against the rapidly regrouping Soviets, and could only desperately try to take one. They tried Stalingrad in our timeline and didn’t come close. Moscow wouldn’t save them, and Leningrad was cut off and not of use to the Soviets at that time. I just can’t imagine a WW2 as we know it where they win, the odds are stacked too far against them and they have practically every disadvantage possible by 1942. GERMANY COULD NOT WIN

Femboys won in Poland as well, so?

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Hey wed, chill out, it took us many years to figure out all that stuff, you don't have to understand it already)))

Carking the 6th wrote:

Seeing as China ultimately defeated Japan, and the Soviet Union is even larger and more powerful than Germany, it still seems like it wouldn’t change very much. People would just gas each other into oblivion and the much smaller axis would break first.

Even Operation Overlord was informed by this policy in a way that, say, flooding the Yangtze or pushing barely-trained men and new tanks into the press at Stalingrad weren't.

I'm not sure to what extent the British government would approve such a conflict.

Carking the 6th wrote:

“Could Germany have won (even in part)?” No. They couldn’t have.

[...] I just can’t imagine a WW2 as we know it where they win, the odds are stacked too far against them and they have practically every disadvantage possible by 1942. GERMANY COULD NOT WIN

Lord Crayfish wrote:

Carking the 6th wrote:

Seeing as China ultimately defeated Japan, and the Soviet Union is even larger and more powerful than Germany, it still seems like it wouldn’t change very much. People would just gas each other into oblivion and the much smaller axis would break first.

In those cases yes, but liberal democracies like Britain have less incentive to fight wars with mass civilian casualties, especially after the trauma of the Great War. Fascist/communist régimes or military dictatorships have less accountability to the peoples' livelihood as we saw with the massive devastation the USSR and China were willing to go through to win.Even Operation Overlord was informed by this policy in a way that, say, flooding the Yangtze or pushing barely-trained men and new tanks into the press at Stalingrad weren't.

I'm not sure to what extent the British government would approve such a conflict.

Lord Crayfish wrote:

Carking the 6th wrote:

Seeing as China ultimately defeated Japan, and the Soviet Union is even larger and more powerful than Germany, it still seems like it wouldn’t change very much. People would just gas each other into oblivion and the much smaller axis would break first.

In those cases yes, but liberal democracies like Britain have less incentive to fight wars with mass civilian casualties, especially after the trauma of the Great War. Fascist/communist régimes or military dictatorships have less accountability to the peoples' livelihood as we saw with the massive devastation the USSR and China were willing to go through to win.Even Operation Overlord was informed by this policy in a way that, say, flooding the Yangtze or pushing barely-trained men and new tanks into the press at Stalingrad weren't.

I'm not sure to what extent the British government would approve such a conflict.

Lord Crayfish wrote:

Carking the 6th wrote:

“Could Germany have won (even in part)?” No. They couldn’t have.

[...] I just can’t imagine a WW2 as we know it where they win, the odds are stacked too far against them and they have practically every disadvantage possible by 1942. GERMANY COULD NOT WIN

Is this a copypasta or did you write it yourself specially for the occasion? It seems categorical and systematic above the norm for the forums.

Carking the 6th wrote:

I think it would only reaffirm the will of the Bri’ish people. They didn’t surrender when the Nazis were bombing them, I sure as hell don’t believe this would change things either. Germany would have limited capability to bomb the Uk with gas anyway (their airforce would be shat all over during the Battle of Britain the same as our timeline.)

WednesdayAddams wrote:

i thought u went bye bye