Army structure

So, a while ago I wrote this on the structure of unit stacks, as I'm always being annoyed that everything is at Division level. Sadly, I miss timed when I wrote this and posted it during a time when Aircraft Carriers dominated the forum, so it sunk below level.

I've slightly adjusted some things to flow better and make sense. I really enjoyed the Army structure on S1914, and I'm still a firm believer this game should take the best from S1914 and implement them in CoW.

TankBuster wrote:

CoW uses a system to combine armies and form them into larger groups. We all know this, however, i've noticed some serious pit falls in this- basically, they don't make sense.

For reference, I will be trying to use the both Heer (Germn Army, WW2) and Standard British Army formation.

Armies

While this game gets everything correct up until Regimental/Brigade level (while 'brigades' are generally around 5000 men, British tank units are referred to as 'regiments' and operate in 'squadrons') the game gets confused at division level.

A division is when two 'or more brigades come together (in non-tank related terms, a brigade is a military command based around a single regiment, with supporting units around that unit) and form a single unit. Then, when several divisions come together, they become a Corp (a corp in a the field is different to a standard formation- EG: the USMC/RMC have nothing to with XX Corp or anything like that) and when Corps come together, they become 'Field armies'

Field Armies, such as the 21st Army Group, are huge. Two or more armies make up a theatre of operations and are called 'Army groups'. While the soviets refer to several armies as a 'army front'- but soviet deployment structures in WW2 made the German, US and UK generals have OCD.

To recap, this is what everything should look like:

  1. Army group (Army group South) (40+ units)
  2. Field Army (6th Army) (20-39 units)
  3. Corp (XI Corp) (10-19 units)
  4. Division (82nd Airborne) (2-9 units)
  5. Regiment/Brigade (The Kings Royal Hussars) (1 unit)
Navy

This hurts me, but CoW has about as much knowledge about naval deployment as my mother. So, lets break this down:

  • Navy- all ships in the service
  • Fleet- all ships in a certain area, North Sea fleet for example (9-20 ships)
  • Squadron- a group of war ships, not large enough to be a fleet, but still comprising of many ships. (5-8 ships)
  • Flotilla-small group of ships, might or might not have capital ships. (1-4 ships)
  • Carrier task force/fleet- Honourable mention, while basically a fleet, the name states it has carrier craft.
A 'task force' can fit into the 'Squadron' term, but a 'Task force' is formed to do one job- like hunt the Bismark. I feel like the number of ships should fit in to what the unit is named, as it is in S1914, for example "2nd Naval Squadron HMS Fury"

As for the air force, I know very little of its structure. If you could help out, I would love that very much.

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Good idea.


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Sounds good to me!

Quasi-duck wrote:

Sounds good to me!
Sure.

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Maximilien wrote:

Sure.
That sounds like a challenge!

Quasi-duck wrote:

Maximilien wrote:

Sure.
That sounds like a challenge!
It's possible.

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"Alea iacta est" Gaius Julius Caesar.

Maximilien wrote:

It's possible.
*throws punch*

*misses*

*falls*

Love this idea...

brilliant


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-Friedrich von Haye

Each nation maintain the same structure of the Army?


"I came, I saw, I conquered" Written in a report to Rome 47 B.C., after conquering Pharnaces at Zela in Asia Minor in just five days; as quoted in Life of Caesar by Plutarch; reported to have been inscribed on one of the decorated wagons in the Pontic triumph, in Lives of the Twelve Caesars, Julius, by Suetonius.
"Alea iacta est" Gaius Julius Caesar.

Most armies used the same structure, or round about the same structure due to colonial influences.

"If the tanks succeed, then victory follows."- H.Guderian
"Hit first ! Hit hard ! Keep on hitting ! ! (The 3 H's)" Admiral Jackie Fisher
"The 3 Requisites for Success – Ruthless, Relentless, Remorseless(The 3 R's)" Admiral Fisher
Crates: a Term used to define any unwanted and unneeded feature in CoW
Game Username: LordStark01

TankBuster wrote:

Most armies used the same structure, or round about the same structure due to colonial influences.
Correct! For example British Colonies in Africa or Asia.

"I came, I saw, I conquered" Written in a report to Rome 47 B.C., after conquering Pharnaces at Zela in Asia Minor in just five days; as quoted in Life of Caesar by Plutarch; reported to have been inscribed on one of the decorated wagons in the Pontic triumph, in Lives of the Twelve Caesars, Julius, by Suetonius.
"Alea iacta est" Gaius Julius Caesar.

Very good idea @TankBuster

I will propose it to the English team!


"I came, I saw, I conquered" Written in a report to Rome 47 B.C., after conquering Pharnaces at Zela in Asia Minor in just five days; as quoted in Life of Caesar by Plutarch; reported to have been inscribed on one of the decorated wagons in the Pontic triumph, in Lives of the Twelve Caesars, Julius, by Suetonius.
"Alea iacta est" Gaius Julius Caesar.

TankBuster wrote:

Most armies used the same structure, or round about the same structure due to colonial influences.
Brits and Americans had different systems..

cant remember but there might not have been 3 companies in a batt in the brit system or there was something different like this

I cant remember.. but number wise I think it was a larger difference..


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oceanhawk wrote:

Brits and Americans had different systems..
It's possible.

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"Alea iacta est" Gaius Julius Caesar.

this fact.. but just cant remember by how much..


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-Friedrich von Haye

oceanhawk wrote:

this fact.. but just cant remember by how much..
The U.S. Army had a military structure similar to its intervention in the first world war. The American army consisted of 100,000 professional soldiers in 1939!

"I came, I saw, I conquered" Written in a report to Rome 47 B.C., after conquering Pharnaces at Zela in Asia Minor in just five days; as quoted in Life of Caesar by Plutarch; reported to have been inscribed on one of the decorated wagons in the Pontic triumph, in Lives of the Twelve Caesars, Julius, by Suetonius.
"Alea iacta est" Gaius Julius Caesar.

No I mean..

the brits had a different amount of units in units..

like a company of US army infantry men, is different to a company of Brit infantrymen in terms of number s


If Socialists understood Economics, they wouldn't be socialists
-Friedrich von Haye

oceanhawk wrote:

No I mean..

the brits had a different amount of units in units..

like a company of US army infantry men, is different to a company of Brit infantrymen in terms of number s

I understand...

"I came, I saw, I conquered" Written in a report to Rome 47 B.C., after conquering Pharnaces at Zela in Asia Minor in just five days; as quoted in Life of Caesar by Plutarch; reported to have been inscribed on one of the decorated wagons in the Pontic triumph, in Lives of the Twelve Caesars, Julius, by Suetonius.
"Alea iacta est" Gaius Julius Caesar.

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