British Research Tree

Keep the firefly, it was the pride of the British armoured corp: we made an 'ok' take 'Great'

Well, whatever. The last German med tank is the Leopard I, so I'll keep the centurion.

I agree with you there, the Centurion was an insanely good bit of kit- used by the Israelis to great effect

Yeah, 6-day-war. Most interesting war after WW2.

TankBuster wrote:

the Centurion was an insanely good bit of kit- used by the Israelis to great effect

Pablo22510 wrote:

Will do what all of you said, @GreatbigHippo, @TankBuster, @Liberinsula.

Liberinsula wrote:

Sounds like a plan......the suggestions to omit the Firefly in favour of the Comet, and to include the Centurion (a contemporary of the Leopard I and M46 Patton, tanks already in cow), certainly have my vote of confidence.

Pablo22510 wrote:

I was thinking, the M7 Priest was only American-used. Any ideas for anything that could replace it?

Pablo22510 wrote:

Liberinsula wrote:

Sounds like a plan......the suggestions to omit the Firefly in favour of the Comet, and to include the Centurion (a contemporary of the Leopard I and M46 Patton, tanks already in cow), certainly have my vote of confidence.

Pablo22510 wrote:

I was thinking, the M7 Priest was only American-used. Any ideas for anything that could replace it?

Liberinsula wrote:

Pablo22510 wrote:

Liberinsula wrote:

Sounds like a plan......the suggestions to omit the Firefly in favour of the Comet, and to include the Centurion (a contemporary of the Leopard I and M46 Patton, tanks already in cow), certainly have my vote of confidence.

Pablo22510 wrote:

I was thinking, the M7 Priest was only American-used. Any ideas for anything that could replace it?

You could use the Sexton SPG. It was designed as a substitute for the Priest, because the 105mm howitzer wasn't a standard British weapon. It was a 25pdr (87mm calibre) gun mounted on a Canadian built Ram or Grizzly frame.

Liberinsula wrote:

Pablo22510 wrote:

Liberinsula wrote:

Sounds like a plan......the suggestions to omit the Firefly in favour of the Comet, and to include the Centurion (a contemporary of the Leopard I and M46 Patton, tanks already in cow), certainly have my vote of confidence.

Pablo22510 wrote:

I was thinking, the M7 Priest was only American-used. Any ideas for anything that could replace it?

You could use the Sexton SPG. It was designed as a substitute for the Priest, because the 105mm howitzer wasn't a standard British weapon. It was a 25pdr (87mm calibre) gun mounted on a Canadian built Ram or Grizzly frame.

Pablo22510 wrote:

I have taken ages to finish this, so at least leave a like. Please fill in the missing spaces:

Light Tanks:

1. Cruiser Mk III
2. Mk III Valentine
3. Mk V Covenanter
4. Mk VI Crusader

Medium Tanks:

1. M3 Grant
2. Sherman III
3. Mk VIII Cromwell
4. Comet Tank
5. Centurion

Heavy Tanks:

1. Mk IV Churchill
2. Black Prince Tank
3. Conqueror Mk I

Tactical Bomber:

1. Vickers Vildebeest
2. Hawker Hind
3. Fairey Barracuda
4. De Havilland Mosquito
5. Fairey Battle
6. Bristol Blenheim

Strategic Bomber:

1. Armstrong Whitworth Whitley
2. Avro Manchester
3. Handley Page Halifax
4. Short Stirling
5. Avro Lancaster
6. B-25 Mitchell

Naval Bomber:

1. Fairey Swordfish
2. Fairey Albacore
3. Fairey Barracuda
4. Blackburn B-24 Skua
5. Bristol Beaufighter
6. Grumman TBF Avenger

I know its long.......

Note that I didn't include interceptors in the tree, as that part of the tree had already been discussed and corrected.

Liberinsula wrote:

Pablo22510 wrote:

I have taken ages to finish this, so at least leave a like. Please fill in the missing spaces:

Light Tanks:

1. Cruiser Mk III
2. Mk III Valentine
3. Mk V Covenanter
4. Mk VI Crusader

Medium Tanks:

1. M3 Grant
2. Sherman III
3. Mk VIII Cromwell
4. Comet Tank
5. Centurion

Heavy Tanks:

1. Mk IV Churchill
2. Black Prince Tank
3. Conqueror Mk I

Tactical Bomber:

1. Vickers Vildebeest
2. Hawker Hind
3. Fairey Barracuda
4. De Havilland Mosquito
5. Fairey Battle
6. Bristol Blenheim

Strategic Bomber:

1. Armstrong Whitworth Whitley
2. Avro Manchester
3. Handley Page Halifax
4. Short Stirling
5. Avro Lancaster
6. B-25 Mitchell

Naval Bomber:

1. Fairey Swordfish
2. Fairey Albacore
3. Fairey Barracuda
4. Blackburn B-24 Skua
5. Bristol Beaufighter
6. Grumman TBF Avenger

The ones quoted above are ones where I see it necessary to alter them. My revised version of this overall very good tech tree is as follows:

I know its long.......

Unit	Real world unit	Notes
Light Tank LVL 1	Carden Loyd Tankette	The whole light tank branch had to be scrapped.....medium and even heavy tanks were in there. The pre-war Carden Loyd Tankette is a good fit for the level one light tank spot.....its on equal footing as the Panzer I, as both lacked armament heavier than a machine gun.
2	Vickers MK VI	Was a prominent asset of the British Expeditionary Force (BEF) that fought in the 1940 Battle of France, in addition to service with the Desert Rats against the Italians in North Africa.
3	MK VII Tetrarch	Interestingly a picture of the Tetrarch is already erroneously in the American tree, supposedly depicting the M2 light tank, which has close resemblance to its descendant, the M3 Stuart. The Tetrarch is a good fit for a second-best level light tank, as it was superior to the Vickers and Carden Loyd (both of which carried only MGs)
4	MK VIII Harry Hopkins	Designed as a replacement to the Tetrarch, a good overall improvement.
Medium Tank LVL 1	A13 Mk I	The A13 was a medium tank, not a light one.
2	Crusader	Same as A13. A good early-mid war medium tank to use.
3	Cromwell	Contemporary to later Sherman variants. Was primary British medium tank (excluding lend-lease Shermans) at the time of the Normandy Landings.
4	Comet	A good choice from the beginning.
5	Centurion	A good choice from the beginning.
Heavy Tank LVL 1	Matilda II	Better fit as an first unlockable heavy tank....the Churchill is a mid-war unit.
2	Churchill VII	Black Prince never saw widespread service....by the time its development had come to fruition, the Black Prince had been overshadowed by the faster and more manoeuvrable Centurion cruiser tank. Also, with the Matilda II taking the Churchill's level one spot, no room anyways.
3	Conqueror	A good choice from the beginning.
Tactical Bomber LVL 1	Hawker Hind	A good choice from the beginning, though bumped down to put the Fairey Battle in.
2	Fairey Battle	Suffered immense casualties in the Battle of France, in 1940. After that it was relegated to secondary duties......by no means a late-war aircraft.
3	Bristol Blenheim	Was an early war aircraft, and certainly belongs here, not at the end of the tree.
4	Bristol Beaufighter	A good intermediary step between the Blenheim and Mosquito. In real life the aircraft enjoyed a good career, filling numerous roles.
5	DeHavilland Mosquito	Finest piston engined tactical bomber of the war. Bumped up because of this.
6	English Electric Canberra	Given the Soviet tree already includes the IL-28, a post-war jet bomber which is arguably the direct equivalent of the Canberra, the later had to be included.
Strategic Bomber LVL 1	Armstrong Whitworth Whitley	A good choice from the beginning.
2	Vickers Wellington	Bomber Command's backbone prior to the introduction of the four-engined heavies.
3	Short Stirling	Bumped down. Was the earliest and least well refined of the British four-engined "heavies."
4	Avro Lancaster	Bumped down to accommodate the Lincoln
5	Avro Lincoln	Rough British equivalent of the B-29
6	Handley Page Victor	Much more suitable than the B-25, which was not only American, but also not a heavy bomber.
Naval Bomber LVL 1	Fairey Swordfish	A good choice from the beginning.
2	Fairey Alabacore	A good choice from the beginning.
3	Blackburn Skua	Skua came before the Barracuda.
4	Fairey Barracuda	Barracuda was also superior to the Skua.
5	Fairey Firefly	Much better fit than the Beaufighter, which was designed as a land-based aircraft.
6	Westland Wyvern	The Avenger was American. The Wyvern was an early post-war British-built turboprop-powered carrierborne strike aircraft able to carry aerial torpedoes.

Note that I didn't include interceptors in the tree, as that part of the tree had already been discussed and corrected.

Pablo22510 wrote:

I'll takke what you said into consideration, but the matilda was NOT a heavy tank. AAnd I spotted that first second.

Pablo22510 wrote:

but the matilda was NOT a heavy tank

Also, why the hell is an American medium bomber above a British heavy bomber, the best of the war for England, on the British tech tree!?

Pablo22510 wrote:

Nuclear Rocket:

WE.177

GreatbigHippo wrote:

Pablo22510 wrote:

I'll takke what you said into consideration, but the matilda was NOT a heavy tank. AAnd I spotted that first second.

Yup. But the Carden Loyd should be added as a heavy tank.

Quasi-duck wrote:

Also, why the hell is an American medium bomber above a British heavy bomber, the best of the war for England, on the British tech tree!?

Pablo22510 wrote:

Which one?

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