The reasons war break out is usually due to countries having claims on the same land. So, I think there should be cores of a nation on other countries' land.
For example,
Firstly, France doesn't even control Alsace-Lorraine in most maps, which is SUPER NOT COOL BYTRO.
Secondly, this idea seems cool, but how far back in history are these dual cores going to go? I mean, technically all of Germany could theoretically become France's cores, because of the Frankish Kingdom. All of Europe could be Italian, because of Rome. How far back do these dual provinces go?
well, we for sure know that danzig should be german soooo 
I like the idea, but pre-defining these claims would be unbalancing; some countries would have WAY more claims (potential cores) than others. Adding a random element to this (like: all countries get two claims each on random provinces of the three closest nations) might be an idea.The Legendary M wrote:
The reasons war break out is usually due to countries having claims on the same land. So, I think there should be cores of a nation on other countries' land.For example,
The following are weaker suggestions:
- Germany having cores on Strasbourg/Strassburg as well as France, as Germany once owned Alsace-Lorraine
- Germany having cores on Danzig and Bydgoszcz, as Germany once owned the land.
- Nationalist China and Communist China having cores on all Chinese lands, including Sinkiang, Tibet, and Manchukuo, in the 25 player world
- Northern States of America and Southern United States having cores on each other
- Mexico having cores on Texas, California, and Arizona
- Austria and Hungary having cores on all lands previously owned by Austria-Hungary
- Soviet Union and Russian Empire having cores on each other, Ukraine, eastern Poland, and the Baltic States
- Bulgaria having cores on Kavala, Greece
- Greece having cores on Nicosia/Cyprus, and Rhodes Island in historical maps
- Poland and Lithuania having cores on west Russia and East Prussia/Konigsberg, on the land formerly owned by the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth
- Sweden having cores on FInland, the former vassal of it as the Swedish Empire
- Yugoslavia and Italy share cores on Trieste
- Ukraine and the Russias having cores in the Crimean Peninsula
Might be technically complex though, the flag currently displayed on the province seems to suggest that the database allows only one "core" nation per province.
The cores may just be the provinces claimed by the current leader historically?
I think the best idea would be to only have it on historical maps and in a limited sense, to make China better once they got their provinces back, let French Indochina and British Burma rebel to Siam faster, etc.
The only reasonable answer would be to use ethnic maps of that time.
Here you could see "Lander und Volkerkarte Europas by Dietrich Schafer" map. I think, that it should be obvious, that core provinces for a country should the lands, where the nation has a majority of population native. For example, Eastern Poland in 1939 shouldn`t be Polish core provinces as well as Ukrainian and Belorussian parts of USSR. BTW, core provinces only give you 25% of resources and we all know, that Ukrainians have sabotaged collectivisation, so it seems to be logical. Same goes with other ethnic lands, that are not a populated with titular nation. It would be cool to see, for example, Caucasian countries declaring independence and USSR having trouble with taking them back. As it was said in other treads, national rebellions and rivals would only make the game better + add some realism.
Nonsense. Half of Europe would be Italian, French, German, Soviet et cetera. It makes no sense, because leaders made claims, that are usually have nothing to do with reality. Just look at the city of Brest as an example.The Legendary M wrote:
The cores may just be the provinces claimed by the current leader historically?
It`s under Polish rule, claimed by USSR (they would take it in 1939), later taken by Germany, later again retaken by Soviets. Also, "some Lithuanian leader" once claimed Brest as a former Grand Duchy of Lithuania city.
So the city know has 4 countries making claims on it: Germany, Poland, USSR, Lithuania.
But in my opinion it`s obvious, that Belorussians have are the only people, who could make claims on this city as a majority of population living there is Belorussian. So Brest should be Belorussian core province, because "core province" literally means the province, which is rightful part of the state. As Belorussians have been living there for centuries, they should own it. Not the countries, that got control over it for a decade or two.
I thought about proposing double cores, so happy to see that some ideas converge.
- In 100 players map and unhistorical => Not needed
- In historical maps, as I see it, it should not be used to represent history but to incitate gameplay outcomes or to give small guys a fighting chance if they survive until end-game. FOR INSTANCE :
German cores in France and French cores in Germany (let's say Koln) would incite Germany and France to go to war.
Same with Italy and France : core on Marseilles vs core in Genes. Not really historical, but design-for-effect
Chinese cores in Chinese territories owned by Japan + Manchukuo, Japanese cores in Manchukuo would ensure those people are fighting and not allied
Same with Turkish core on the Mashrek, or Egyptian cores on Sudan and part of the Arabic Peninsula
- In all players map, tiny countries should have automaticcally core on surrounding countries so they have a chance to have at least 1 of each natural resource "cored".
Well, I was talking about an opposite position.Chimere wrote:
so happy to see that some ideas converge.
It would be better to leave one country core system. Otherwise, it would be a mess. But my point is, that those cores should mainly follow nation`s ethnical borders (even though some nations aren`t represented with a separate country, for example Slovakia or Croatia). So basically USSR is Russia, that has take over lots of nations, including Ukraine, Belorus, all that major nomad tribes in Siberia, Kazahs, Volga Germans and so on.
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