Criticism of Artillery

That doesn't seem right. Might be a bug or just a bug in the description. This also happens for militia lvl5>lvl6 where anti-air drops from 0.8 to 0.7.

Wwell if it's broke, then somebody fix it!

thats a good topic to discuss in my opinion artillerie must have better stats against naval units

this will alow to build large coastal defences and to secure key positions

the artillerie has also been used in real conflicts to assum these roles

The Gallipoli battle during the WW1

The Atlantic wall (even if it wasn't actualy field artillery witch is an other reason to upgrade de artillerie stats rather than adding more units)

and many more minor defensive structures or battles

to sum up artillery should be more powerful against naval units

The artillery is a unit capable of causing great damage, is a vital unit in long campaigns.

Maximilien wrote:

The artillery is a unit capable of causing great damage, is a vital unit in long campaigns

Diabolical wrote:

This NEW thread was the appropriate place to put this "Suggestions/Criticisms".

OK, so WHY OH WHY is the artillery so weak on naval bombardment?

And, as if that were bad enough, it starts at 0.3 on Level 1 and doesn't go up with each level...not even a little bit.

And, as bad as THAT was, the lower three levels are 0.3 while the upper two levels are 0.2.

I don't like to use bad language but...WTF?!?

It should be this:

Level 1 ... 0.3

Level 2 ... 0.4

Level 3 ... 0.6

Level 4 ... 0.8

Level 5 ... 1.0

That seems like a more reasonable strength progression rather than actually getting worse.

its not consistent increase..

otherwise..

maybe an increase in naval damage..

Well, consider that Arty has always been split into three general types, the game seems to think that all arty is field made up of field guns. The drop in stats comes from the changing ammunition to something more useful against Armour and infantry, and that only an idiot would engage ships with normally Arty. You have Railway guns for that- all be it that those are also incredibly stupid.

What the post high lights is a need for coastal arty, which of course, should be coming.

TankBuster wrote:

Well, consider that Arty has always been split into three general types, the game seems to think that all arty is field made up of field guns. The drop in stats comes from the changing ammunition to something more useful against Armour and infantry, and that only an idiot would engage ships with normally Arty. You have Railway guns for that- all be it that those are also incredibly stupid.

What the post high lights is a need for coastal arty, which of course, should be coming

to be honest, Railguns are all you should be using against Naval units from land...

Art guns are just not suited..

also.. Tnakbuster is bang on the money..

not all of the art are the same..

Would we like more variation in the game? for art

railgun should have 5 dm against ships, with it's long range and it's cost, it will be the key of a coastal defence

artilleri should have 5 too but only to secure key positions or destroying landing units

mio123 wrote:

railgun should have 5 dm against ships, with it's long range and it's cost, it will be the key of a coastal defence

artilleri should have 5 too but only to secure key positions or destroying landing units

not with the art..

Diabolical wrote:

Now if it could just be a vital unit in naval bombardment...

Artillery is for indirect fire and ships move. Just look at Dunkirk, not even JU-87 Stuka dive-bombers, which can effectively hit tanks and the like on the move, could not hit the ships.

Ships are long and narrow. They move fast. Slow, indirect artillery fire will not knock them out. On top of that, shells are generally HE, not AP.

Quasi-duck wrote:

Artillery is for indirect fire and ships move. Just look at Dunkirk, not even JU-87 Stuka dive-bombers, which can effectively hit tanks and the like on the move, could not hit the ships.

Ships are long and narrow. They move fast. Slow, indirect artillery fire will not knock them out. On top of that, shells are generally HE, not AP.

It is assumed that most artillery crews have probably been trained to switch ammunition from High Explosive to Armor Piercing for the task...too bad they didn't conceive of delayed explosive Tank Buster designs since that concept would work on heavy armored plating for a battleship. Except the ammunition of this kind would have to be fired from something like a Railroad Gun anyway since that would have to be HUGE bullets.

Oh, and High Explosives work fine on the top of the decks.

Diabolical wrote:

Ah, but ships tend not to come "AT" the coast when near to it...rather they turn sideways to bring all main guns to bear for bombardment. Since these ships then can move parallel with the coast, they do make a slowly moving target. But, their broad profile is the widest possible target.

Direct fire would be what a tank would do, while indirect is what a mortar would do.

Artillery use indirect fire because they can do it from behind an object, or in a firing pit, without taking direct fire. If they tried to use direct fire against any warship they would be destroyed.

Look how big the area in which a shell can land is in the below image.

That's a funny thing...because my grandfather was a long-range artillery trainer. His job was to teach other soldiers how to perform precision aiming of the 16 mile guns and his ranges could be nearly 20 miles with pin-point accuracy. All they had to have was a camouflaged forward spotter to help with range-finding and target realignment. That wide-area bombardment effect was only mainly used for suppression fire against a field of incoming forces or to prevent advanced retaliation when sending in your own invasion.

So, by castling with my rook, I've avoided your checkmate and positioned for a bishop cross maneuver.

My strategy outweighs your technical drawings.

;-]

but you forgot the Gallipoli naval battle, whene the british plan was to cut the supply line in the sea by capturing the Dardanelle, all the ottoman had to do was to reinforce the coast with their artillery and mine the position

the ships where slow and making hudge targets for the ottoman who didn't use any AP ammo, all they hade to do was to aim high, the canonball hit the ship deck and not the armored sides

Diabolical wrote:

So, by castling with my rook, I've avoided your checkmate and positioned for a bishop cross maneuver.

My strategy outweighs your technical drawings.

My train of thought has been derailed through a series of events. Phooey.

I like this idea, and agree. I think artillery are nerfed all around, and need some little tweaks.

Carl Wilson wrote:

I think artillery are nerfed all around, and need some little tweaks.

Hardly, the artillery in this game is way OP thanks to it's range. It most certainly should not be 50km.