I just saw this for the first time. From a historical viewpoint, elite militia are a bad joke. There is no such thing as a militia unit that could have gone head to head with an American, British German or Soviet frontline infantry unit of the same size. A well-trained infantry unit would have crushed a good militia unit every time. Only if we include some completely new game concept of guerrilla warfare does this remotely make sense.
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Yes, but this is Sparta real combat, guerrilla is not in the equation.Quasi-duck wrote:
So-so, who is to say this is not how the militia fight? All we know is they come into combat, and the militia's buff in woods would point towards guerilla.
How do you know?Pablo22510 wrote:
Yes, but this is Sparta real combat, guerrilla is not in the equation.
Because guerrilla warfare is carried out by groups of small individuals, not big coordinated units.Quasi-duck wrote:
How do you know?
Not necessarily, heard of the Irish War of Independence?Pablo22510 wrote:
Because guerrilla warfare is carried out by groups of small individuals, not big coordinated units.
The level of coordination in a normal division exceeds the one achieved in the Irish War of Independence by far.Quasi-duck wrote:
Not necessarily, heard of the Irish War of Independence?Pablo22510 wrote:
Because guerrilla warfare is carried out by groups of small individuals, not big coordinated units.
Militia isn't normal though, is it? Rag-tag group of civilians with rifles fighting a foreign invader.Pablo22510 wrote:
The level of coordination in a normal division exceeds the one achieved in the Irish War of Independence by far.
My point exactly. It isn't exactly 'conventional' warfare, so that's why guerrillas shouldn't be included in the game.Quasi-duck wrote:
Militia isn't normal though, is it? Rag-tag group of civilians with rifles fighting a foreign invader.Pablo22510 wrote:
The level of coordination in a normal division exceeds the one achieved in the Irish War of Independence by far.
You're not making much sense. It isn't specified how the units fight, so it doesn't matter.Pablo22510 wrote:
My point exactly. It isn't exactly 'conventional' warfare, so that's why guerrillas shouldn't be included in the game.
Well, I see what you're saying, but I don't think Bytro has wanted to put elite militia as guerrillas. They kinda wanted to portray it as an essentially elite, shit unit. You can't have that, man.Quasi-duck wrote:
You're not making much sense. It isn't specified how the units fight, so it doesn't matter.Pablo22510 wrote:
My point exactly. It isn't exactly 'conventional' warfare, so that's why guerrillas shouldn't be included in the game.
You can, the best of the worst. Anyway, it'll help people spend money. Those GM players with mommy's purse "I creamed some dude with militia".Pablo22510 wrote:
Well, I see what you're saying, but I don't think Bytro has wanted to put elite militia as guerrillas. They kinda wanted to portray it as an essentially elite, shit unit. You can't have that, man.
Ok, whatevs.
Think militia as Finnish troops at winter war. Finnish troops was really militia mainly and stopped Soviet pretty good.
Google "raatteentie" "talvisota"
About guerrilla warfare u should read book Atso Haapanen "SISSI-ISKU PETROVSKI JAMIIN" there is 100men coordinated strike way behind lines and back.
There was my grandfather one of those guerrillas
So militia is too weak in this game
Militia suck vs infantry
there thread over.
You suckers who want guerrilla mechanics?
Militia are kick-ass in forests
there end of that too.
Your stupid whims are already in the game, now keep micro managing those planes and artillery "historically accurately" to kill people who log on once a day so you can pretend to be the next Hitler or Rommel.
Why would you bump a dead thread idea from 2016 that you don't even want implemented....?Chickenus wrote:
Militia suck vs infantrythere thread over.
You suckers who want guerrilla mechanics?
Militia are kick-ass in forests
there end of that too.
Your stupid whims are already in the game, now keep micro managing those planes and artillery "historically accurately" to kill people who log on once a day so you can pretend to be the next Hitler or Rommel.
During the second world war, Australia’s land fighting force was essentially composed of two separate armies, the 2nd Australian Imperial Force (AIF) and the Citizen Military Forces (CMF or Militia).MontanaBB wrote:
I just saw this for the first time. From a historical viewpoint, elite militia are a bad joke. There is no such thing as a militia unit that could have gone head to head with an American, British German or Soviet frontline infantry unit of the same size. A well-trained infantry unit would have crushed a good militia unit every time. Only if we include some completely new game concept of guerrilla warfare does this remotely make sense.
The militia gained respect from the AIF after they distinguished themselves in the brutal fighting of the Papuan Campaign, against overwhelming numbers of Imperial Japanese infantry.
Aussie,Aussie,Aussie
Just as well Montana said that they couldn't go "head to head with an American, British German or Soviet frontline infantry unit of the same size". The IJA was the worst branch of the Japanese military in WWII and is well known for having terrible tactics and weaponry, better known for fighting in terrain that the Allies were not trained to fight in rather than actually being high quality troops. A good example of this is the Battle for Henderson Field on Guadalcanal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_for_Henderson_Field#Nakaguma's_attack_on_the_Matanikau)WarPtyLtd wrote:
During the second world war, Australia’s land fighting force was essentially composed of two separate armies, the 2nd Australian Imperial Force (AIF) and the Citizen Military Forces (CMF or Militia).The militia gained respect from the AIF after they distinguished themselves in the brutal fighting of the Papuan Campaign, against overwhelming numbers of Imperial Japanese infantry.
Aussie,Aussie,Aussie
"Further west, the 9th Company of Nasu's 3rd Battalion charged straight into Puller's Company C at 01:15. Within five minutes, a Marine machine gun section led by Sergeant John Basilone killed almost every member of the 9th Company. By 01:25, heavy fire from the Marine divisional artillery was falling into Nasu's troop assembly and approach routes, causing heavy casualties."
Yah, because the japs were worse at fighting than the soviets.... And screw off with the "this post is so old XD" spam.
Guns are called the great equalizer for a reason, and just because a disabled has an archaic rifle he only fired once, or a state of the art, yet crudely made anti-tank weapon does not mean a veteran of 5 years hard fighting can just write him off.
Volksstrum and Soviet conscripts were used to great effect, they suffered massive losses, but they are not meant to be used as front line troops. their speed is limited for this reason, and they cannot go head to head with regular infantry in battle. The Russians bogged down the German Invasion with militia, counter attacking, something not represented in this game.
The term "elite militia" is just used to describe the fact it comes from crates, and to say there was not different levels of militia is a complete joke. In the battle of Berlin you had volksstrum factory workers, 'old' men who fought in wwi, certainty not a unit to play around with
I don't see anyone disagreeing, and why would you bring up such an old post that you don't support?Chickenus wrote:
Yah, because the japs were worse at fighting than the soviets.... And screw off with the "this post is so old XD" spam.Guns are called the great equalizer for a reason, and just because a disabled has an archaic rifle he only fired once, or a state of the art, yet crudely made anti-tank weapon does not mean a veteran of 5 years hard fighting can just write him off.
Volksstrum and Soviet conscripts were used to great effect, they suffered massive losses, but they are not meant to be used as front line troops. their speed is limited for this reason, and they cannot go head to head with regular infantry in battle. The Russians bogged down the German Invasion with militia, counter attacking, something not represented in this game.
The term "elite militia" is just used to describe the fact it comes from crates, and to say there was not different levels of militia is a complete joke. In the battle of Berlin you had volksstrum factory workers, 'old' men who fought in wwi, certainty not a unit to play around with
>I don't see anyone disagreeing, and why would you bring up such an old post that you don't support?
Then why do you keep replying?
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