Formidable nations

OutsiderJoe wrote:

Why are you bringing real-life politics to this? Just because Germany is democratic in 2004, that doesn't mean they cannot become fascist, Germany can also form the German empire with its Ww1 territory.

There is no pressure in this game, so you can basically change the government, or if I balance this out it may start a civil war

OutsiderJoe wrote:

"Exactly WHERE did the nazis say they wanted to reform and rebuild the Kaiserreich? The leather Pickelhaube was outdated by the time of ww2, with the German Stahlhelm being cheaper and more practical. Then again, this is deviating from the original discussion."

-Little Racoon

bro, you don't have to be historical and your not Hitler, this is legit alternate history. You can form the kasierreich and Democratic germany

On a final note, I do not think this suggestion is realistic, or at least, you haven't given any reasonable explanation as to why we should accept it other than the idea of "oh, changing doctrines and turning republics to empires would be kinda cool". It isn't necessarily harmful to the game, but for the costs of implementing such change, the minimal benefits that come with it are simply not worth it. Maybe, perhaps, if you elaborate enough on your idea and give valid reasons on why your idea should be implemented in the context of a semi-realistic ww2 game, then I can change my mind regarding this seemingly out-of-the-blue suggestion.

Jan Schlegel wrote:

Hey!!

1.Im a german so its ok that i make grammaticaly errors

2.Hoi 4 is more historical accurate, they understand an greate the right border from the first minute of the game and you want to tel me tat call of war is not able to great a right map, no they great country names for the map and other uninteresting things, that i must touch my head!

The Memel city is to high and all of the german borders between the german provinzes are all wrong, i live in germany in bavaria, and i shamed for this, that there a no borders that make sense.

back to the theme, the borders also wrong on the polish border, when the nazi germany want to great the kaiserreich, in call of war the bytro team must correct the border error, because oberschlesien and breslau are not polish when nazi germany creat trhe kaissereich, but they are just polish!

and for info: the british helmet is not the same with the american helmet, the churchil is not the same with the jerman!

2) HOI4, I believe, had a much larger budget and it isn't available for free (the first part I might be wrong). Price, production costs, and quality are often interrelated. For Memel, I noticed in some maps it's part of Germany, some part of Lithuania (historically, it was ceded to Germany some time before ww2, but I have to check). Breslau, meanwhile, I believe, is part of Germany in every map. I suggest you create a separate thread for the border errors. Usually the devs would fix it after some time.

3) Regarding the british army being different than the american army, I've acknowledged that in the post that you quoted.

Little Racoon wrote:

OutsiderJoe wrote:

Why are you bringing real-life politics to this? Just because Germany is democratic in 2004, that doesn't mean they cannot become fascist, Germany can also form the German empire with its Ww1 territory.

There is no pressure in this game, so you can basically change the government, or if I balance this out it may start a civil war

I am not bringing modern politics into this, I think you are mistaken.

OutsiderJoe wrote:

"Exactly WHERE did the nazis say they wanted to reform and rebuild the Kaiserreich? The leather Pickelhaube was outdated by the time of ww2, with the German Stahlhelm being cheaper and more practical. Then again, this is deviating from the original discussion."

-Little Racoon

bro, you don't have to be historical and your not Hitler, this is legit alternate history. You can form the kasierreich and Democratic germany

Note the context it was written in. It is not logical nor reasonable for a fascist Germany to return to the Second Reich. Now, if it were roleplay reasons and somehow a nation does that within individual maps, I'm fine with such a thing, since it doesn't require a complicated overhaul from the devs behalf, and is easy to implement due to it being literally just a newspaper article. Heck, I'm fine with your idea if it was merely confined to roleplay scenarios and didn't require the game to change itself.

On a final note, I do not think this suggestion is realistic, or at least, you haven't given any reasonable explanation as to why we should accept it other than the idea of "oh, changing doctrines and turning republics to empires would be kinda cool". It isn't necessarily harmful to the game, but for the costs of implementing such change, the minimal benefits that come with it are simply not worth it. Maybe, perhaps, if you elaborate enough on your idea and give valid reasons on why your idea should be implemented in the context of a semi-realistic ww2 game, then I can change my mind regarding this seemingly out-of-the-blue suggestion.

A fascist Germany can change into a monarchy, because a leader may choose to restore it, yes it may sound stupid in real life, but this game is fake, they are afraid of adding a swastika.

I know this would change the game but it will make the players excited, and make them feel accomplished because they achieved so. In Hoi4 they did this and the devs there worked way harder than this lazy team.

It can also just be used as a boost, like bigger manpower, higher resource output etc. It could just be an easy thing to do, to make you feel grander and just have a bit of change

https://hoi4.paradoxwikis.com/Formable_nations#Reintegrate_the_Empire

see this link when you are done reading

how will civil war mechanic work? are u suggesting nation specific events as well?

Karl von Krass wrote:

how will civil war mechanic work? are u suggesting nation specific events as well?

Also no nation gets a specific event

i would absolutely hate to lose all my cores in the 40%

The idea is outright nonsense.

that's why mods are not responding to it.

How the will Germany become the HRE after conquering some lands. What will happen to the rest of the country will they stay unconquered? Italy and other countries if they take back the land then?

And why just historical land? Why can't the country switch to empire without it.

Comrade genz wrote:

How the will Germany become the HRE after conquering some lands. What will happen to the rest of the country will they stay unconquered? Italy and other countries if they take back the land then?

And what if Libya reunites the Roman Empire?

See, there are many factors missing in this 'idea'

No sense made

Comrade genz wrote:

And what if Libya reunites the Roman Empire?

Then also same. No sense!

there is no... use for this, please make a bullet list on some mechanics that can be implemented using this idea

OutsiderJoe wrote:

Since your all crying in the comment section, I have added a feature, when you switch idealogy there is a 40/100 chance you will have a civil war and some units may choose sides.

OutsiderJoe wrote:

RBoi200 wrote:

YourGaurdian wrote:

In asian territories, we can add mongol Empire, Xin dynasty, Indian Empire(Mughal/Maratha)

The Chinese aren't just going to install another Emperor, they just overthrew the Qing Dynasty. I'm going to say this again: Expansion DOES NOT mean a change of government.

When you reach a certain size THERE IS AN OPTION, either you stay with the current government or you change. Heck, I can conquer all of Asia as Mongolia but I don't need to become the Mongol Empire.When you capture a lot of historical provinces, then you choose, then maybe you can change but that's up to you.

What you said about the Chinese not installing the Qing dynasty is false, when you take control of a country your its president or king. You decide what you want. Have you seen the Central African Empire in real life?

A president in Central Africa turned his country into an empire because he chose to

And you can always restore a monarchy or an empire, this is just an idea to make the game enjoyable

Jan Schlegel wrote:

Little Racoon wrote:

OutsiderJoe wrote:

I agree, but you can form like the basic empires like the Cuban Empire, or the Democratic Republic of Cuba or maybe Caribbean federation or just Greater Cuba can be a great name, also this is just optional.

And what you said about the doctrines is what I disagree with the most. When the German army lost ww2, the Soviets converted them to a soviet styled army and the West German army became more American based.

Also, there is no "commanders, generals" in CoW so the army wouldn't change, and there will be a limit with the doctrine switches like you can switch to only one doctrine

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HOI4 actually did this, every country had different flags when they switched idealogy if Hoi4 can do it, so can CoW.

Also your making things harder, there is no "military command" its just the player

Exactly the overcomplication I'm worried about. Why focus on these niche details when it just deviates from the realism of the game?Also, for your example of Germany, it is unapplicable as it was conquered and occupied by the Allies, thus making it no different than say, in-game Poland being conquered by its neighbors, not to mention Germany went under changes because of external pressures, aka they were forced to from a position of weakness. Your suggestion was regarding a complete overhaul of the country's core doctrines without any prior form pressure, only the reason "I want to."

Let's take a more modern example: the United States. Would anyone accept it if the President suddenly came out one day and said, "Oh yeah, we're a monarchy now"? Given that even a change from Republican to Democrat would cause such uproar, I don't think that would even be remotely possible, if the idiotic president that proclaimed that survived, that is.

Anyhow, my tone was a bit harsh, but the point remains: switching flags is barely fine, but switching doctrines is a whole another matter in terms of realism.

the theme usa is not logical, that they change to a monarchy, BUT the nazi germany wants to reform the Kaiserreich, yes the units are the same, because it will be a step back with the Pickelhaube, the steelhelmet, is a way better. there are other countries, they wuld like to reform a bigger state, for example the hungary, with the Wiener schiedspruch, ther were a option, that they can get the full Siebenbürgen, to form the greater hungarien monarchy