Italian Research Tree - Finished!

Update.

Carl Wilson wrote:

Looks kind of like a flattened hotel. Where are the tracks?

I hope I can help with the naval bombers:

Savoia-Marchetti SM.79.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savoia-Marchetti_SM.79

"It became famous and achieved many successes as a torpedo bomber in the Mediterranean theater."

Savoia-Marchetti SM.84.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savoia-Marchetti_SM.84

CANT Z.506.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CANT_Z.506

"During World War II it was used as a reconnaissance aircraft, bomber and air-sea rescue plane, by the Italian Regia Aeronautica and Regia Marina, Aeronautica Cobelligerante del Sud, Aeronautica Nazionale Repubblicana and the Luftwaffe."

Piaggio P.108A.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piaggio_P.108#P.108A

It was an anti-ship aircraft with a 102 mm (4 in) gun. Variant of the P.108.

Loire-Nieuport LN-401.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loire-Nieuport_LN.401

"The Loire-Nieuport LN.40 family of French naval dive-bombers for the Aeronavale in the late 1930s which saw service during World War II."

I know it's a French bomber but the italian wikipedia lists the Loire-Nieuport LN-401 among the planes used by the Regia Aeronautica as a prize of war:

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerei_della_Regia_Aeronautica_nella_seconda_guerra_mondiale.

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Then I found the following planes but I don't know if they can be properly considered naval bombers.

Macchi M.18.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macchi_M.18

"The Macchi M.18 was a flying boat produced in Italy in the early 1920s. Originally planned as a passenger aircraft, it entered production as a bomber before eventually being offered on the civil market that it was originally intended for". It was still used in the Spanish civil war.

Junkers Ju 87.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Ju_87

The Junkers Ju 87 were also used to hit the enemy ships with precision dive bombing and Italy's Regia Aeronautica received several of these planes.

And finally there is the IMAM Ro.43.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMAM_Ro.43

"The IMAM Ro.43 was an Italian reconnaissance single float seaplane, serving in the Regia Marina between 1935 and 1943. Although produced in quantity, it proved never to be suitable for its intended role as a spotter plane for warships, and although 105 remained in service when Italy entered World War II, they were already obsolete".

Not exactly a naval bomber, but maybe with a little imagination...

Talking about naval bombers, let me add a couple of planes

CANT Z.501.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CANT_Z.501

Italian wikipedia says that it had similarities with the Consolidated PBY Catalina used by the Americans.

CANT Z.516.

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/CANT_Z.516

Aeroplane for anti-submarine/anti-ship warfare. Made by the aviation division of the Italian company Cantieri Riuniti dell'Adriatico in the early 40's, it remained at the prototype stage.

CANT Z.1007.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CANT_Z.1007#Armament

CANT Z.1007 could carry both bombs and torpedoes: "The Z.1007 could also carry two 454 mm (17.7 in), 800 kg (1,760 lb) torpedoes slung externally under the belly in an anti-shipping role".

Personally, I'd choose the following planes as naval bombers:

Liv. 1 - CANT Z.501

Liv. 2 - CANT Z.506

Liv. 3 - Savoia-Marchetti S.M.79

Liv. 4 - CANT Z.516

Liv. 5 - Savoia-Marchetti S.M.84

Liv. 6 - Piaggio P.108A

Otherwise:

Liv. 1 - CANT Z.506

Liv. 2 - Savoia-Marchetti S.M.79

Liv. 3 - CANT Z.516

Liv. 4 - Savoia-Marchetti S.M.84

Liv. 5 - CANT Z.1007

Liv. 6 - Piaggio P.108A

@PetrusFons and I did some little research about the italian navy and we have some suggestions about the aircraft carriers.

Bolzano.

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolzano_(incrociatore)

http://www.aviazione-italiana.it/Aviazione%20Navale%203b.html

The Bolzano was a heavy cruiser of the Regia Marina, used during WW2. It was torpedoed and badly damaged on August 13,1942. On the construction sites in La Spezia the Italians began to repair it and to turn it into an aircraft carrier. It was sunk on June, 22 1944 by a british attack.

Europa.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_seaplane_carrier_Europa

Elba.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_cruiser_Elba

Elba was a protected cruiser of the Italian Regia Marina; In 1914, it was converted into the first seaplane tender of the Regia Marina.

Anyway my research tree would be the following one:

Liv. 1 - Europa

Liv. 2 - Elba

Liv. 3 - Giuseppe Miraglia

Liv. 4 - Bolzano

Liv. 5 - Sparviero

Liv. 6 - Aquila

Talking about the battleships, I'd add the following ships:

Regina Elena-class.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regina_Elena-class_battleship

Dante Alighieri.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_battleship_Dante_Alighieri

My research tree would be the following one:

Liv. 1 - Regina Elena class

Liv. 2 - Dante Alighieri

Liv. 3 - Conte di Cavour class

Liv. 4 - Andrea Doria class

Liv. 5 - Francesco Caracciolo class

Liv. 6 - Littorio class

Pablo22510 wrote:

Heavy Tanks:

1. Carro Armato P40
2. P43
3. Ideas?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P43_tank#The_two_P43_bis

http://www.soldatinionline.it/Articoli/Eserciti-Uniformi/Un-carro-moderno-per-il-Regio-Esercito-il-P.40.html

http://digilander.libero.it/historiamilitaria4/panther%20re.htm (here you can find a different picture of the P.43 tank, by the way.)

"To increase security and mobility, Ansaldo and Fiat placed the study on P.43 tank (derived directly from P.40 with more armor on the front and a new tower), and P.43 bis, armed with a 90/42 mm gun. The events of July 25, 1943 and then the september armistice stopped the projects".

"In competition with the german Panther tank, the Italians were studying further projects and developments of the P40 tank; in addition to the P.43 tank we can briefly mention also the powerful P43 bis armed with a 90/42 mm gun (or some say 105mm), judged by someone superior to the Panther on paper".

I like the P.43bis part. I think I'll add it as the last heavy tank to the tree.

Pablo22510 wrote:

I like the P.43bis part. I think I'll add it as the last heavy tank to the tree.

Marat666 wrote:

Thanks. What do you think about the other suggestions?

Pablo22510 wrote:

Marat666 wrote:

Thanks. What do you think about the other suggestions?

I think I don't really understand them. Please tell me what you would like me to do with the Italian Heavy Tank Tree. How should I change it?

I was talking about my suggestions about naval bombers, aircraft carriers and battleships

What do you mean when you say that you don't understand them? You don't think they're proper naval bombers, battleships and aircraft carriers?

LOOOOOOL I only saw your last post. I must have missed like tonnes that I hadn't seen before. Give me 5 mins and the tech tree will have changed.

Pablo22510 wrote:

LOOOOOOL I only saw your last post. I must have missed like tonnes that I hadn't seen before. Give me 5 mins and the tech tree will have changed.

I hope my english is good enough.

By the way I have suggestions about nuclear subs and nuclear battleships too, but they were just projects made by the italian navy that never materialized. So i don't know if they can be Ok for the thread.

Marat666 wrote:

Ahaha don't worry! i did some confusion writing down my suggestions: for every unit at first I wrote the suggestions in a casual order, with links and some notes; them I wrote a final post for each of them, to make some order.

I hope my english is good enough.

By the way I have suggestions about nuclear subs and nuclear battleships too, but they were just projects made by the italian navy that never materialized. So i don't know if they can be Ok for the thread.

1. Your English is extremely good. Anyway, I'm not a good judge, as I'm Spanish.
2. Updated the tree to include naval bombers and more battlehips. Many thanks, @Marat666.
3. Whatever suggestions you may have are definitely better than just inventing a new kind of ship.

CVs included.

Pablo22510 wrote:

Marat666 wrote:

Ahaha don't worry! i did some confusion writing down my suggestions: for every unit at first I wrote the suggestions in a casual order, with links and some notes; them I wrote a final post for each of them, to make some order.

I hope my english is good enough.

By the way I have suggestions about nuclear subs and nuclear battleships too, but they were just projects made by the italian navy that never materialized. So i don't know if they can be Ok for the thread.

1. Your English is extremely good. Anyway, I'm not a good judge, as I'm Spanish.
2. Updated the tree to include naval bombers and more battlehips. Many thanks, @Marat666.
3. Whatever suggestions you may have are definitely better than just inventing a new kind of ship.

The problem with this sub is that - as I said - it was just a project. The italian navy actually started building it, but the works were never finished because the italians needed american collaboration and support and the USA refused to help their ally (I think there was an american law prohibiting the transfer abroad of nuclear knowledge and technology that can be used for military purposes; in addiction the americans feared that their tecnology could finish in soviet hands).

Italian wikipedia says: "In July 1959, the Minister of Defence Giulio Andreotti announced government approval for the S-521 project "Guglielmo Marconi", a nuclear attack submarine (SSN). In July 1963 the United States refused to satisfy the Italian requests to provide uranium and technical assistance to implement the nuclear submarine Guglielmo Marconi".

Here's the link to an article in english where you can find some pictures of the model (is it a problem if pictures of the real sub don't exist?)

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/its-marconi.htm

The only picture of the "real" submarine is the following one (well, at least it's a picture of a little piece of it )

Spoiler

Projects are better than nothng. Thanks.

Updated.

Nuclear battleship: Enrico Fermi

Article in english: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/its-fermi.htm

The Enrico Fermi was planned to be a "logistic support ship", so I don't know if it can be considered a real battleship.

EDIT: I found nothing about the rockets yet. @PetrusFons thinks that we can use the german ones.