MAKE GREECE PLAYABLE IN 30P MAP!

You already have Yugo and Romanian in the Balkans. Adding another would disrupt balance, ruin the nice 30 total players, and open the door for others to complain for their countries addition. Before we know it, we’ll need a map where all ww2 countries are playable. Wait, there’s a map called All countries all in where you can play Greece and all countries in the 30p map? You still have a few hours to join one? I can’t believe it.

While I do think they should have ACAI every few HWWs, it still exists and you can play it at the time of this writing. Now go!

Carking the 6th wrote:

You already have Yugo and Romanian in the Balkans. Adding another would disrupt balance, ruin the nice 30 total players, and open the door for others to complain for their countries addition. Before we know it, we’ll need a map where all ww2 countries are playable. Wait, there’s a map called All countries all in where you can play Greece and all countries in the 30p map? You still have a few hours to join one? I can’t believe it.

While I do think they should have ACAI every few HWWs, it still exists and you can play it at the time of this writing. Now go!

John Lackland wrote:

Carking the 6th wrote:

You already have Yugo and Romanian in the Balkans. Adding another would disrupt balance, ruin the nice 30 total players, and open the door for others to complain for their countries addition. Before we know it, we’ll need a map where all ww2 countries are playable. Wait, there’s a map called All countries all in where you can play Greece and all countries in the 30p map? You still have a few hours to join one? I can’t believe it.

While I do think they should have ACAI every few HWWs, it still exists and you can play it at the time of this writing. Now go!

This is nonsense! It would not disturb the balance but it would make the region more balanced. Turkey has almost no real country around it. It conquers Iraq without any real player there, same goes for Bulgaria and Greece too! That's the thing that makes it no balanced! But if there was a Greece player there, Turkey couldn't to whatever it wants to do.

Carking the 6th wrote:

John Lackland wrote:

Carking the 6th wrote:

You already have Yugo and Romanian in the Balkans. Adding another would disrupt balance, ruin the nice 30 total players, and open the door for others to complain for their countries addition. Before we know it, we’ll need a map where all ww2 countries are playable. Wait, there’s a map called All countries all in where you can play Greece and all countries in the 30p map? You still have a few hours to join one? I can’t believe it.

While I do think they should have ACAI every few HWWs, it still exists and you can play it at the time of this writing. Now go!

This is nonsense! It would not disturb the balance but it would make the region more balanced. Turkey has almost no real country around it. It conquers Iraq without any real player there, same goes for Bulgaria and Greece too! That's the thing that makes it no balanced! But if there was a Greece player there, Turkey couldn't to whatever it wants to do.

That is wrong. You do realize the UK has a large fleet that could bombard turkey in to oblivion right on its coast? Turkey has no battleships and no counter to it in the first days, which means they have to tread lightly until they have the force to sink it. I’ve played Turkey before, even won a solo as them. I can say that it’s already difficult enough. Greece as an AI is already enough of an obstacle, they only have 40 stars, and I’d we add them, why don’t we just add everyone and make it ACAI, which already exists?

John Lackland wrote:

Simple answer, we cannot create or play always in ACAI, it's a damn EVENT MAP. Greece needs to be playable it's an important country and it's more important than bloody Mongolia for sure which is playable in the map.

Carking the 6th wrote:

John Lackland wrote:

Simple answer, we cannot create or play always in ACAI, it's a damn EVENT MAP. Greece needs to be playable it's an important country and it's more important than bloody Mongolia for sure which is playable in the map.

Greece really isn’t important enough to be vital to the map. Just because you like a country and think it’s more important than others doesn’t mean they should throw off balance and basically years of this map not gaining new countries to add it. If you really want to play Greece more then you should be out there ranting about making ACAI a permanent map mod as I and many many others would love to see. Again. If we add Greece, why not add Iraq? They fought in the war, and are far more important than damn Xinjiang! Or what about Siam? They played a far bigger role than little Peru! Or what about Colombia? Its population is far bigger than Venezuela yet it is not playable! You’re telling me Egypt is free and playable but not Algeria? Or the Congo? I could go on and on. At this rate you should add everything and look where we are again? ACAI. I’ve used this point roughly three times but you still haven’t argued against it. Just push for All countries all in to become a more permanent map, then you get everything you want and more!

John Lackland wrote:

Of course All Countries All in would be good if it was permament but 30p map is creatable and my point is Greece is not playable in any creatable map and it was one of the most imporant countries in the WW2 era. So it should be playable in a new 31p map.

Carking the 6th wrote:

John Lackland wrote:

Simple answer, we cannot create or play always in ACAI, it's a damn EVENT MAP. Greece needs to be playable it's an important country and it's more important than bloody Mongolia for sure which is playable in the map.

Greece really isn’t important enough to be vital to the map. Just because you like a country and think it’s more important than others doesn’t mean they should throw off balance and basically years of this map not gaining new countries to add it. If you really want to play Greece more then you should be out there ranting about making ACAI a permanent map mod as I and many many others would love to see. Again. If we add Greece, why not add Iraq? They fought in the war, and are far more important than damn Xinjiang! Or what about Siam? They played a far bigger role than little Peru! Or what about Colombia? Its population is far bigger than Venezuela yet it is not playable! You’re telling me Egypt is free and playable but not Algeria? Or the Congo? I could go on and on. At this rate you should add everything and look where we are again? ACAI. I’ve used this point roughly three times but you still haven’t argued against it. Just push for All countries all in to become a more permanent map, then you get everything you want and more!

Jchicas the Great wrote:

he’s got a point. And I definitely woudlnt mind if AÇAÍ was permanent or at least more available. By far one of my favorite maps

Nothing should be made playable, 30 is good enough. No Greece. No Iraq. No Finland. No Portugal. No Belgium. No New Zealand.

Claudio NVKP wrote:

Nothing should be made playable, 30 is good enough. No Greece. No Iraq. No Finland. No Portugal. No Belgium. No New Zealand.

Carking the 6th wrote:

John Lackland wrote:

Of course All Countries All in would be good if it was permament but 30p map is creatable and my point is Greece is not playable in any creatable map and it was one of the most imporant countries in the WW2 era. So it should be playable in a new 31p map.

Greece didn’t play much more of a role than Hungary, in fact less, since it quickly fell to the Germans. Still, role doesn’t matter too much. What’s more important is the fact that there is no game balance reason to add it, plus you’d have to give it a fifth city, which Greece is too small for and would throw off balance a bit. And again, do this and you open the flood gate for everyone else to be added. And where do we end up? Wanting ACAI to be permanent. Greece should not be added to Historical world war. All countries all in should be added as a permanent map.

John Lackland wrote:

Carking the 6th wrote:

John Lackland wrote:

Of course All Countries All in would be good if it was permament but 30p map is creatable and my point is Greece is not playable in any creatable map and it was one of the most imporant countries in the WW2 era. So it should be playable in a new 31p map.

Greece didn’t play much more of a role than Hungary, in fact less, since it quickly fell to the Germans. Still, role doesn’t matter too much. What’s more important is the fact that there is no game balance reason to add it, plus you’d have to give it a fifth city, which Greece is too small for and would throw off balance a bit. And again, do this and you open the flood gate for everyone else to be added. And where do we end up? Wanting ACAI to be permanent. Greece should not be added to Historical world war. All countries all in should be added as a permanent map.

You kidding? Greece played a big role. Bigger than Hungary. They hold the Italians so long that Germans needed to cancel their invasion against the Soviets and attack Greece. Even ACAI is permament they would not make it creatable so it would be a better choice to make Greece playable in a new 31p map since it is CREATABLE for RP purposes.

But anyhow I’ve been arguing the exact same point over and over again and you still haven’t really given a good rebuttal to most of them… so I’ll just end the conversation by agreeing to disagree and live knowing they Greece will never be added to HWW!

John Lackland wrote:

You kidding? Greece played a big role. Bigger than Hungary.

But Greece did play a bigger role in WW2 than Venezuela, or Xingjiang.

Brando Dilla wrote:

John Lackland wrote:

You kidding? Greece played a big role. Bigger than Hungary.

You’re acting as if Hungary was playable

But Greece did play a bigger role in WW2 than Venezuela, or Xingjiang.

With an output of 563,000 barrels per day, Venezuela was the world's top oil exporter and third largest producer in 1939, after the United States and Soviet Union.

https://explorer.aapg.org › articleid

Venezuela's Oil: Crucial in World War II - AAPG EXPLORER

Unfortunaely, ACAI can't be used a s a general template for HWW. No matter how popular this game mode is with the hardcore fans here at the forum and some other niche places, the simple fact is that playing one of the many, many extremely small countries isn't popular at all in the general CoW population. This leads to the fact that Germany is grabbed in the first seconds after a map opens, the other major powers in the minutes after that, the mid-sized countries in 15m, and then the hours-long wait starts where the remaining countries are variants of Honduras, Liberia, and Danzig. Even though there are enthousiast who enjoy playing them, there are simply too much of them on the ACAI map. This means that a basic Bytro premisse ("there's a map of each type to be played immediately at all hours") isn't upheld, simply because most players don't consider a map where they can pick between Haiti and Luxemburg to be "playable". Hence it can only be an event.

K.Rokossovski wrote:

Unfortunaely, ACAI can't be used a s a general template for HWW. No matter how popular this game mode is with the hardcore fans here at the forum and some other niche places, the simple fact is that playing one of the many, many extremely small countries isn't popular at all in the general CoW population. This leads to the fact that Germany is grabbed in the first seconds after a map opens, the other major powers in the minutes after that, the mid-sized countries in 15m, and then the hours-long wait starts where the remaining countries are variants of Honduras, Liberia, and Danzig. Even though there are enthousiast who enjoy playing them, there are simply too much of them on the ACAI map. This means that a basic Bytro premisse ("there's a map of each type to be played immediately at all hours") isn't upheld, simply because most players don't consider a map where they can pick between Haiti and Luxemburg to be "playable". Hence it can only be an event.

No, I like it as a event. Better as it should be.

K.Rokossovski wrote:

Unfortunaely, ACAI can't be used a s a general template for HWW. No matter how popular this game mode is with the hardcore fans here at the forum and some other niche places, the simple fact is that playing one of the many, many extremely small countries isn't popular at all in the general CoW population. This leads to the fact that Germany is grabbed in the first seconds after a map opens, the other major powers in the minutes after that, the mid-sized countries in 15m, and then the hours-long wait starts where the remaining countries are variants of Honduras, Liberia, and Danzig. Even though there are enthousiast who enjoy playing them, there are simply too much of them on the ACAI map. This means that a basic Bytro premisse ("there's a map of each type to be played immediately at all hours") isn't upheld, simply because most players don't consider a map where they can pick between Haiti and Luxemburg to be "playable". Hence it can only be an event.