Military logistics

Well nice son! I love it a lot. Its very nicely thought out.

I like the look of it, basically a more advanced supply line system, right?

You've put a lot of work into it, and I do quite like the kind of tactics that this would allow you to use, although my only suggestion would be to make the encirclement penalties a little less harsh, since an army after two days encirclement would just be completely useless and mainly just a drain on resources for a significant portion of the game.

Kalantigos wrote:

You've put a lot of work into it, and I do quite like the kind of tactics that this would allow you to use, although my only suggestion would be to make the encirclement penalties a little less harsh, since an army after two days encirclement would just be completely useless and mainly just a drain on resources for a significant portion of the game.

That sounds very good.

The supply line is great, but 25 morale a day for encirclement? Just no that's way to sadistic it's like torture.

Sun Tzu said:

"If a soldier fights in a corner, he fights like an animal"

Not very accurate quote, but if pushed to the limit soldiers will fight better and more determine especially if cornerd or no chance of retreat, againts such a force an army encircling them will be squashed unless well supported.

Maybe drop it to 5 morale a day perhaps.

V1nd1cat0r wrote:

The supply line is great, but 25 morale a day for encirclement? Just no that's way to sadistic it's like torture.

Sun Tzu said:

"If a soldier fights in a corner, he fights like an animal"

Not very accurate quote, but if pushed to the limit soldiers will fight better and more determine especially if cornerd or no chance of retreat, againts such a force an army encircling them will be squashed unless well supported.

Maybe drop it to 5 morale a day perhaps.

The surrounded units already have equipment, I don't think being encircled decrease the effectiveness of their equipment, only their willingness to fight being surrounded.

I would like to point out:

• algorithm to determine the fastest route for different segments of map (sea, with road infrastructure and without, loading and unloading) already exists and works perfectly.
• the distance to the HQ must be calculated for the province, and not for each unit separately. All units in the province will have the same daily morale regeneration. Because the distance to the capital is already calculated in the game (but never used), it does not significantly impact on performance.
• currently the distance penalty is not used in the game because its values are very large. Implementation of railway rolling stock would significantly reduce the time travel on the middle range, and the HQs on the long range. Therefore the penalty for distance to the capital (or to the HQ) could return in the game.
• we can not manipulate directly the strength of troops. The only way to change the troops strength is to change their morale.
• construction of infrastructure in the occupied provinces would finally acquire meaning.
• strategic bombers will gain its importance. The bombing of strategic targets such as infrastructure and transportation hubs (HQs) will be just as important an element of the strategy as it is in reality. Since the destruction of the strategic targets increases the distance to the HQ and therefore the province morale will decrease too, that has double impact on the troops morale regeneration.
• the withdrawal of troops to restore morale has the meaning only for very damaged troops, because the rate of morale recovery is very low for the troops with moral 80+. HQs could fix it. Troops fully restore morale in a few days when their place in the province with the HQ.

When it comes to morale and strength it shouldn't be lowered that quick when it comes to encirclement.

May I remind you of the siege of Leningrad, Stalingrad, Moscow and Malta ?

Stalingrad wasn't surrounded and they could escape across the lake in Leningrad.

Don't forget that one day in game is equivalent to several real months.

How much time is required to force the encircled troops surrender you can found in Wikipedia (Salients, re-entrants and pockets).

That was an excellent read, thank you.

If was wondering, with military logistics will it be possible for naval blockade? Naval blockade was suggested before with the military logistic like this one can naval blockade be viable?

I have suggested supply and logistics as a researchable technology

The higher the level of supply and logistic capability/research level , the faster your countries units heal. Its pretty much an easier version of all of this

Also your plan quite ignores a critical part of military logistics at that time : Airdrop. Supply by air ( airdrop) saw its development and use in WW2 and so an encircled army doesnot necessarily mean its dooomed, especially if that army has air superiority that makes air drop even more feasible

Your suggestion is very detailed and can be labbeled complex for some to fully grasp but I guess both of our suggestions are two different routes to the same target

Awesome work!

I add to the comments that it is very important to balance work morale of troops and regions - as I think it should be more daring and sophisticated than it is now. 100% morality should be a rare occurrence, and to be a sign of high-skill player. If the troops were surrounded, he must have a big problem. No need to be too kind to the players who make mistakes.

If we can give the region morale bonus, from the very beginning of morality should be more difficult. Developing countries are poorly motivated, why try if now morality in any case after three days becomes complete. Let's be more stringent - if the player does not want to develop the country, let gets big problem.

I don't quite get what your trying to say, but 100% morale is very possible and easy just let them stay in one place away from the action.

Highly develop nations regen more morale than underdevelop ones, depending on how well built the province, in an event of encirclement air drop should be valid when the HQ have an airbase and can only cut of by interceptors.

If the units do get surrounded there should be 2 choice to take run back to friendly land and avoid getting surrounded or stay put (happens to AI and innactives) in this instance the surrounded units should get a morale deduction, but I think it's better if the province itself have a greater morale deduction causing rebellion to simulate "assimilation"

V1nd1cat0r wrote:

I don't quite get what your trying to say, but 100% morale is very possible and easy just let them stay in one place away from the action.

It's very easy, but if we want to balance it we need to decrease the morale regen of units based on how far they are from core-province, a soldier is more motivated fighting to defend his country than conquering other people's land. Morale regen shouldent be absolutely zero, the lowest possible morale regen should be 1 a day and the highest should be 10 a day

If we create a system where morale is increased, then we must create a system where morality is reduced. If we introduce bonuses we have to enter penalties