New Stealth Units and Airborne units.

oh please.... check out old threads before suggesting... There are about a hundred on paratroopers, some even still on this page...

Infiltrators: did you ever even use spies yet??

You need to remember the scale of the game units, which is a regiment size of around 1500 men. Infiltrators do not fit in this scale and as Rolossovski suggests are represented in the Espionage menus.

K.Rokossovski wrote:

oh please.... check out old threads before suggesting... There are about a hundred on paratroopers, some even still on this page...

Infiltrators: did you ever even use spies yet??

TesloTorpedo wrote:

this is the first time I have been on these forums so sorry.

There are two active threads regarding the proposed addition of a new paratroops/airborne infantry regiment to the game. Both are pretty well developed, and may be worth your reading them. There are also literally dozens of older threads where literally dozens of players have requested the addition of paratroops, in one form or another, to the game.

I'm sorry teslo, I must have been in a bad mood when posting that. But you know, doing some reading before making your first post is generally a good idea on any forum site.

K.Rokossovski wrote:

I'm sorry

MontanaBB wrote:

K.Rokossovski wrote:

I'm sorry

Two magic words. They may not solve all problems, but they rarely make a problem worse.

TesloTorpedo wrote:

Gliders-When made would have a drop down box asking what type of unit it would be, ex. armoured car, infantry, commandoes, motorized infintry, milita, and antitank.

Market Garden used glider drops on I believe Arnum bridge, but as I remember it was just some heavier support equipment and personnel to support he regular paratroopers. Its's been 35 years or more since I read the book.

Peter Mat wrote:

Market Garden used glider drops on I believe Arnum bridge, but as I remember it was just some heavier support equipment and personnel to support he regular paratroopers.

For our purposes, and given the level of detail and granularity at which COW operates, I think any differences between parachute infantry and glider infantry is a distinction without any real meaning.

MontanaBB wrote:

Peter Mat wrote:

Interestingly, the 82nd and 101st division artillery included both parachute and glider drops; I have no idea how they loaded a 75 mm field piece onto a C-47 on the ground, let alone how they got them out the door while they were in flight.

It largely failed because the various drops of the same piece could be shattered for miles during the drop.

"Has anyone seen the firing pin, it should be attached to the orange parachute."

K.Rokossovski wrote:

These were also specialized versions of standard equipment; they could be disassembled, dropped under seperate parachutes, and re-assembled after landing.

As I recall, the assistant division commander of the 101st was killed in one of those over-loaded equipment gliders on landing, when it could not stop on the ground properly.

Maybe we could use this idea "but" when you do this the unit loses some health.

an interesting, though rather long, read on he subject:

http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a428996.pdf

To my surprise, Parachute Field Artilley was present in all American parachute drops from 1943 to 1945 except Salerno. Results were mixed, with a deep point of one single operational gun for 82nd airborne at the Normandy invasion, but even then the infantry commanders said in a debriefing:

All commanders were highly enthusiastic in their praise of the artillery support

received. They also, without exception, would like to see more work done with a

view to developing and perfecting the use of parachute field artillery. Even with

the present small percentage of recovery of weapons, they feel that the support

available to them from the weapons recovered more than justifies the loss

incurred in the drop.

Some other exerts:

Transport method used:

The howitzer was broken down into nine loads, M1 to M9, and “were packed in

standard Air Corps aerial delivery units--cylindrical, padded canvas containers.”

Two of the containers were modified to fit the front and rear trails. Appendix A contains the

packing list used by parachute artillerymen to rig and drop the 75-millimeter Pack

Howitzer and its associated equipment.

Although vehicles could be dropped by parachute, they were subsequently discarded as

nonessential due to bulk and weight factors that would change aircraft load plans and

limit the number of artillerymen able to jump given the limited number of drop aircraft

available. Leaving these large vehicles off the T/BA caused such things as heavy wire

laying equipment, large radios, some heavy fire control, and topographic equipment to be

deleted from the T/BA as well. As a fix, smaller and lighter items of equipment that

belonged to other branches of service proved to be superb substitutes for the often heavy

and bulky artillery equipment. Consequently, those items were added to the unit’s basic

allowance. These changes did not, in any way, hamper or prevent the field artillery from

performing its mission of providing accurate, responsive fires. All of the howitzer’s

primary fire control equipment, such as sights and aiming circles, etcetera were not

modified.

These revisions required officers and key leaders

to jump with small map boards and binoculars and dictated the following actions for the

gun crews upon reaching the DZ: door bundles were pushed out, followed immediately

by the first jumper. As the troopers were exiting the aircraft, the bundles slung under the

belly of the aircraft were being released. Each member of the howitzer section was

assigned a responsibility to bring a specific piece of equipment to the assembly point. To

assist each soldier, “various colored ‘chutes were used so that the cannoneers could

identify the loads they were to retrieve-they could spot these while they were still in the

air and maneuver their own ‘chutes toward them.”11

Organizational:

In order for the parachute field artillery battalion to get to its intended DZ, the

battalion required a total of fifty-two C-47 aircraft. Four planes were required for the

headquarters battery, and twelve aircraft each for the three firing batteries, the antiaircraft

battery, and the antitank battery. For planning purposes, the battalion only used forty

aircraft since the AA and AT battery was used to protect the entire force as opposed to

just the battalion. Their aircraft numbers were not figured in the battalion allocation.

When the headquarters battery loaded the aircraft, the primary staff and subordinates

cross-loaded, or disbursed themselves, across all four of their aircraft. This was so in the

event one of the planes went down, whether it was due to maintenance problems or shot

out of the sky, the battery and staff would still be able to perform their mission and

function with the majority of their personnel. Loading firing battery personnel and

equipme nt was much the same. “In general, a howitzer section is loaded in a flight of

three airplanes with the remainder of the battery distributed throughout the twelve planes

of the battery.”34 This allowed each howitzer section the ability to operate independently

once it landed and also allowed the battery to continue to perform as a unit should one of

the aircraft go down.

Ammo:

Because of weight factors, only twenty-five to thirty rounds of ammunition could be

carried on any one plane that had a howitzer loaded on it. The battery leadership felt that

was a sufficient amount during the initial stages of the drop as other aircraft would bring

in the balance of the ammunition. As Lieutenant Cox noted, “We decided that a howitzer

with a dozen rounds is worth considerably more than half a howitzer with a thousand

rounds”

Status since WW2:

From the time of the Korean War through present day, the division saw sporadic

combat operations involving parachute drops that included the Dominican Republic,

Grenada, Panama, and the wars in the Gulf region. Parachute field artillery was never

used in any of those operations. That did not mean parachute artillery was not relevant.

Most likely it was the nature of the operation that dictated what kinds of forces were

used. Political factors that might have limited the types and caliber of weapons systems

used for the operation, limited airframes, purpose of mission, and enemy threats the U.S.

forces faced are but a few examples of why artillery was not used.

Despite the nonuse of parachute artillery, all one has to do is look at history from

World War II to present day to see that that arm is still present in the division’s current

organization. This is a very strong statement that says field artillery is a relevant part of

the airborne division.

Howitzers are still dropped from aircraft and perform the exact same mission they

did over 60 years ago. Artillery battalions drop as a single organization or with its

supported maneuver brigade during training exercises and Emergency Deployment

Readiness Exercises. Relatively speaking, the changes made to conducting airborne

operations for parachute artillery were minimal. Guns and ammunition are dropped out of

the back of Air Force aircraft on a platform and instead of having colored parachutes,

they have colored markings on the load itself. During nighttime operations, the howitzer

is marked with beanbag lights. Simply put, this is a little light whose foundation is a

beanbag. The gun crews are cross-loaded over many aircraft (as was done back on D-

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Day) in order to assure mission completion and time standards are in place as they were

before. Gun crews go through the same actions of landing, moving to the gun, derigging

it, gaining firing capability and firing missions right from the DZ. The importance of

airborne artillery in support of airborne infantry is more critical today than it was back

then. Infantry commanders count on artillery tubes dropping and being able to support his

maneuver forces within thirty minutes of jumping. They expect and demand that.

I Like The Idea Of Paratroopers , Maybe there can be an update . if you havnt noticed people dont play call of war much in world map . Maybe an Update will catch peoples attention .

Gliders seem like an appealing Idea. Just about every country had them and I like the Idea of paratroopers