"No betraying" option on maps

If anything, the defenders morale would lower, due to their ally stabbing them in the back. That's how emotions work.

StrangeTalent wrote:

If anything, the defenders morale would lower, due to their ally stabbing them in the back. That's how emotions work.

Alright Seroslav, I just want to say (I've only read the first page) that this idea is idiotic at best. I do have to agree with others, if you get want you want it makes the game bland and unenjoyable. Look at DayZ for example, They catered to one type of player, nomadic players, You want CoW to be "Do this, ALright good job, Now do this, Then this, Artillery attack? Nope, that unit is destroyed by L1 10% Health Militia!" From what I have read. CoW HAS and NEEDS to be imbalanced, Mechanized Infantry shouldn't be destroyed by Milita (it is possible) because Mech. Infantry is really good. Heavy Tank stacks should be able to destroy Armored Cars. Players should be able to betray you, It happens all the time in Politics. It is the way the game is played, Provinces already get lower morale from war being declared, You should have Militia defending your provinces, that unit was designed to do that, USE IT. Don't deploy freaking Mot. Infantry to defend, use Militia.

JCS Darragh wrote:

Alright Seroslav, I just want to say (I've only read the first page) that

The first page only has the information Seroslav, My opinion is still valid. I am responding to the first page. Not the second.

I quit playing CoW. Maybe I will come back in future if there would be any anti-betrayal mechanism.

I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Just in 100 World Map where I build up biggest coalition and I am #1 on map, guy who I helped grow after leaving coalition is just attacking me, backstabbing. It's 22nd day in game, so I generally invested three weeks playing, which is just totally lost cause of some junk-ethic player, which are dozens in CoW and Bytro haven't for so many years came to any solution for it.

It's just lack of community management to make it so popular, almost on every map it happens.

I was few times paying for gold so Bytro did get some money for me, but won't anymore cause it's just waste of time, this kind of playing. Not a pleasure anymore, as it should be.

With anti-betrayal solution and some other ones it might be nice to play again in future, but so far it's enough for me.

It's good to take care of nice graphics in profile, but when You get backstabbed and see it so often around and nobody does anything about this... it just isn't pleasure to play as it should be.

War isn't fair.

That being said, try making some friends that won't backstab you. I haven't been stabbed in the back in over two years.

Seroslav wrote:

gI quit playing CoW. Maybe I will come back in future if there would be any anti-betrayal mechanism.

I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Just in 100 World Map where I build up biggest coalition and I am #1 on map, guy who I helped grow after leaving coalition is just attacking me, backstabbing. It's 22nd day in game, so I generally invested three weeks playing, which is just totally lost cause of some junk-ethic player, which are dozens in CoW and Bytro haven't for so many years came to any solution for it.

It's just lack of community management to make it so popular, almost on every map it happens.

I was few times paying for gold so Bytro did get some money for me, but won't anymore cause it's just waste of time, this kind of playing. Not a pleasure anymore, as it should be.

With anti-betrayal solution and some other ones it might be nice to play again in future, but so far it's enough for me.

It's good to take care of nice graphics in profile, but when You get backstabbed and see it so often around and nobody does anything about this... it just isn't pleasure to play as it should be.

I understand backstabbing can be a pain, but the fact you have never done the same is just... are you even human, man? Or are you a foking pacifist(pardon the language it is referencing)? This is a game. Let your imagination run wild, instead of restricting yourself to etiquette. The option would be nice, but there is already so many ways to prevent it, including the option to join a alliance that actively does such games(and what StrangeTalent said before me, because I was typing this before I saw his comment).

Now, back stabbing is not encouraged, as it may harm relations with people, but the fact you want a option like this and never seem to mention it at any point that you have done it yourself, I encourage you to try it sometime, if you ever get a chance. You may find the experience refreshing. I do it more often than I'd like to admit, but I also hardly ever play the game, and usually play it because of a new shiny that has come out(that I eventually never get anyway), or because I want to play the game for the diplomacy. Backstabbing is the norm for me, so long as I see the conditions ripe to do so, and the act of doing so would benefit me greatly. With no benefits and most/all provinces well defended, I would never see a point to try and backstab someone. So maybe it is less of a Bytro problem and more of a you problem. But that is just my personal opinion. Your milage may vary.

StrangeTalent wrote:

Yeah, this would remove the fun and excitement of diplomacy

Here's a tip: don't accept offers of share-map alliances sent to you with no prior communication. That's always a bad sign.

MontanaBB -

Here's a tip: don't accept offers of share-map alliances sent to you with no prior communication. That's always a bad sign.

In other words - NEVER kiss on the first date.

But sometimes people do intend to be allies with you. Just ask their intentions, take advantage of the share map, and attack them if necessary.

NovaTopaz wrote:

Seroslav wrote:

gI quit playing CoW. Maybe I will come back in future if there would be any anti-betrayal mechanism.

I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Just in 100 World Map where I build up biggest coalition and I am #1 on map, guy who I helped grow after leaving coalition is just attacking me, backstabbing. It's 22nd day in game, so I generally invested three weeks playing, which is just totally lost cause of some junk-ethic player, which are dozens in CoW and Bytro haven't for so many years came to any solution for it.

It's just lack of community management to make it so popular, almost on every map it happens.

I was few times paying for gold so Bytro did get some money for me, but won't anymore cause it's just waste of time, this kind of playing. Not a pleasure anymore, as it should be.

With anti-betrayal solution and some other ones it might be nice to play again in future, but so far it's enough for me.

It's good to take care of nice graphics in profile, but when You get backstabbed and see it so often around and nobody does anything about this... it just isn't pleasure to play as it should be.

... No, I think your the only one. I think it is the only time in my 2 years of infrequently visiting the forums where the idea was even suggested. Much less gotten past more than a few comments. Frankly, I think you are the only one who even wants this feature badly enough to quit the game over it. Remember, hundreds of players quit on a daily basis because they realize this game isn't one of the brain dead mobile strategy games. One, 2 or even 4 players quitting over this is not a big deal, certainly not enough to ruin some of the best things about this game, IE diplomacy.

I understand backstabbing can be a pain, but the fact you have never done the same is just... are you even human, man? Or are you a foking pacifist(pardon the language it is referencing)? This is a game. Let your imagination run wild, instead of restricting yourself to etiquette. The option would be nice, but there is already so many ways to prevent it, including the option to join a alliance that actively does such games(and what StrangeTalent said before me, because I was typing this before I saw his comment).

Now, back stabbing is not encouraged, as it may harm relations with people, but the fact you want a option like this and never seem to mention it at any point that you have done it yourself, I encourage you to try it sometime, if you ever get a chance. You may find the experience refreshing. I do it more often than I'd like to admit, but I also hardly ever play the game, and usually play it because of a new shiny that has come out(that I eventually never get anyway), or because I want to play the game for the diplomacy. Backstabbing is the norm for me, so long as I see the conditions ripe to do so, and the act of doing so would benefit me greatly. With no benefits and most/all provinces well defended, I would never see a point to try and backstab someone. So maybe it is less of a Bytro problem and more of a you problem. But that is just my personal opinion. Your milage may vary.

dw98 wrote:

In other words - NEVER kiss on the first date.

Personally, I kissed on the first date more often than not. But that was only because I was special. And a pretty good kisser, with lots of repeat business.

MontanaBB wrote:

dw98 wrote:

In other words - NEVER kiss on the first date.

Something like that.

Personally, I kissed on the first date more often than not. But that was only because I was special. And a pretty good kisser, with lots of repeat business.

MontanaBB wrote:

dw98 wrote:

In other words - NEVER kiss on the first date.

Something like that.

Personally, I kissed on the first date more often than not. But that was only because I was special. And a pretty good kisser, with lots of repeat business.

WE GOT EM BOYS! (Hope this isn't a personal attack)

dw98 wrote:

In other words - NEVER kiss on the first date.

That is exactly my response when someone I don't know offers me shared map. I simply say that I don't share map on the first date. If there is a possibility of a relationship I will counter with some questions which could lead to right of way

VorlonFCW wrote:

If there is a possibility of a relationship I will counter with some questions which could lead to right of way

If you negotiate the terms of your new alliance upfront, then your potential ally naturally will take the whole exercise more seriously. The negotiations process will also open the door to excellent communications, which is the core of any successful alliance. If the prospective "ally" cannot be bothered to negotiate the terms of alliance, I can say with 99% certainty he is going to be an unreliable ally at best, and, at worst, a possible backstabber down the road.

I mean you could do all of this, but just have a Defence force. I like to have branches when I play Solo (or online) Like, Home Defence, The Army, The Marines, The Navy, and The Air Force. Then I like to have a Special Branch which include Commandos. So, Just deploy militia and use them as they should be so you don't have to worry about a back stabber. Militia + Armored Cars = Lit Defence Force.