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Paratroopers.

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Someone was going to suggest it eventually, and I think iv'e seen it mentioned in the 'commando unit' thread but I feel it deserves its own topic. Firstly I completely agree with anyone who says the game should be tested to the max in its current state before new units are spammed at it, so as to properly gauge the need or possible impacts of these additions and ensure balance and a strong basic footing for the additions to build on.

That being said, I think paratroopers are an obvious and exciting future option and I see no harm in throwing a few ideas around.

The basic is an infantry unit that can deploy via air assault. (Though I'll mention gliders for a possible mechanized nod, the jeep one.) I think giving ALL infantry this ability would just result in constant para spam attacks, or the costs would drive down the number on infantry units in armies, which while I'm expecting late tech, big countries to have many mech infantry I think infantry should remain a constant part of armies. I think having transport planes to move units is possible, but too different to the current mechanics or to complicated to bother with when the individual unit is a better option, if you disagree post below :) Ideally it will be a unit used to compliment your regular armies or give you a greater range of strategic options, not change the game entirely.

The selling feature will be the deployment method.

They can only parachute deploy when on an airfield, otherwise and after the drop they act as a regular ground unit.

They will most likely be more expensive than regular infantry but with a weaker strength vs armour to represent a lack of heavier weapons, that being said you could argue that is represented by not being able to parachute anti-tanks.etc. in with them, also they tended to be an elite unit so again you could try and boost their stats but balancing might push the costs up to very high levels.

As they are deployed via transport plane they will also be very susceptible to interceptors during transport, perhaps even more so than bombers which would have carried more defensive armament.

In addition I believe that paratroopers should have a 'disembark' period, representing them dropping in and then assembling back into organised units in which they could mount a cohesive defense/attack.

This means that catching paratroopers either in transport or during the drop will give the defender favorable results, making it more risky.

That being said if the range is too great paratroopers can be dropped miles from the fighting and be incredibly frustrating to prevent/contain. Again this can be balanced against flight speed, giving an active defender more time to intercept via air or ground, meaning longer trips would be more of a gamble. but I still think a short distance is better, perhaps if we go historically the distance between the southern British provinces and northern French ones etc.

Its interesting to note this deployment method could be used to move troops faster over Friendly ground from airfield to airfield, or across waterways without having to risk sub attacks. It could even be used for evacuations in the face of the enemy if you use paratroopers like border guards or decoys.

The deployment method itself I'm assuming would allow you to land your paras anywhere on a road, not sure about whether landing directly on/into combat with a province capitol would be good or not, but i see no reason to prevent it, after all your opponent could GM a tank brigade as you drop!

An important question might be whether or not you are allowed to recall, constant feinting could make paras even harder and annoying to defend against, but then these things are suppose to be planned out for days ahead of schedule so accidentally dropping miles away or when you didn't want to drop at all would be really painful.

Could you drop into the sea? gameplay wise I'm nodding vigorously (I like having max options,) the rest of me is face palming.

Tech wise it should be an infantry lvl and a plane level, strategic bomber perhaps? day 12/16? or maybe mid twenties. Does it need an airfield in the province to be produced though? Id guess so for training jumps etc. and a high level barracks, maybe even a level 2 industrial complex to represent the planes required.

What are your thoughts? where have I gone badly wrong? (hopefully not everywhere) Any historical examples you know? Thanks for reading this brain dump!

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Yes they would be more expensive than tanks and they should be , since tanks cannot jump behind enemy lines and cause havoc

As you said , you might have built 5 tanks while I have built 4 and a para , but your tanks took hours to win the frontline fight and gain a province or two whereas the my para was dropped behind your lines in a matter of minutes and gained nice provinces that are very possibly empty and defenceless( blame yourself for that not the para ;). TLDR : Tanks have their role, para have another role if para were used in the same way as tanks then i would say paratroopers would be useless , but no they are not used in the same way as tanks

The role they do and the equipment they used to perform such role is indeed expensive but useful as it cannot be done by any other existing unit, can it?

mio123 wrote:

they can be dropped with a civil plane a private one
This is so wrong. They don't just jump out of a plane. The plane has to be modified to carry and deploy them

GeneralPhara wrote:

The role they do and the equipment they used to perform such role is indeed expensive but useful as it cannot be done to any other existing unit
They have no heavy weaponry and can not move quickly. They are useless. Your best hope is to capture one province and maybe get your unit back when the real forces move up, they are too slow to do anything else. They are not elite and have no heavy weaponry or vehicles. That means they are militia(more or less). The only difference is they can fly a short distance.
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this is wht you think (in order not to say what you want) for them, well the price of the transport will be cheap or inexesting for exemple when you transport a fighter you dont by the trucks or research them, same thing also if you send elite troopers formed in level 3 barraks you wont give them 1 pistol for 4 men, no i suppose a machine gun for each, grenads, an MG or a browning, maybe a anti tank grenade launcher and some motorcycles in orther to do maximal damages. also they are elite man, they were formed better than commandos in the WW2 of course

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mio123 wrote:

the price of the transport will be cheap
I'm guessing you did not know that planes are pretty damn expensive.

mio123 wrote:

i suppose a machine gun for each, grenads, an MG or a browning
Machine guns and MG's are the same with Browning being two types of MG's(the M2 and M1919). This just shows how little you know.

mio123 wrote:

also they are elite
They are not elite. They were made out to be elite for propaganda(which you fell prey to).
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this will be my last answer to you because of your insulting language and your inability to understand

1- IT WILL BE CHEAP TO TRANSPORT : because the plane wille not be armored or using any weapon, you wont use a B-29

2- the Browning series were used by the allies the MG's (maschinenegewehr) were used by the germenand their allies

3- I said they were elite during the WW2 because there mission were like the commandos, the differnence is that they are dropped from the air which need more training

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I still hop you will change your mind and your way to talk

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mio123 wrote:

this will be my last answer to you because of your insulting language and your inability to understand
Achievement!

mio123 wrote:

IT WILL BE CHEAP TO TRANSPORT : because the plane wille not be armored or using any weapon
The Brits used converted bombers and large, four engined planes are still pretty expensive.

mio123 wrote:

I said they were elite during the WW2 because there mission were like the commandos
So if I dropped a bunch of baby ducks behind enemy lines, are they commandos too(note: the ducks have a given objective of knocking out enemy bridges and MG nests)?
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sorry but I can't leave mistakes incorrected

1- you are again talking about details, if you send a bomber from a city to an other, you now how much you will pay to move a B-17 by truks?

2-So if I dropped a bunch of baby ducks behind enemy lines, are they commandos too(note: the ducks have a given objective of knocking out enemy bridges and MG nests)?

you mean that the SAS or the Ranger's were ducks ? I said they are commandos trained to launch operations from planes

finaly i dont like your way to talke to others think about it

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mio123 wrote:

if you send a bomber from a city to an other
You know planes can fly from strip to strip, right?

mio123 wrote:

you mean that the SAS or the Ranger's were ducks ?
No. You said that they were elite since they were dropped behind enemy lines. So I asked if ducks were dropped behind enemy lines with a job to do were commandos too.

mio123 wrote:

I said they are commandos trained to launch operations from planes
That doesn't make them elite commandos. Everyone except the trainers were just normal soldiers. Some of them even learned on the job(both Russian and British troops).

mio123 wrote:

i dont like your way to talke to others think about it
I honestly don't care about this. I am sick of people asking for this despite it being put down 4 or so times already.
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well I hope you undestood that I was talking about trained Elite commandos not ducks, thank you for the information about the planes but yes I now they can fly, and I also now they won't if the air field is further than their range

i'm happy that I'm not the only one who noticed your language

hope you won't post again let others a chance to speak

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mio123 wrote:

Elite commandos
imaginary*
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well I said about 10 times Commandos, you answer ducks / not Elite so I was forced to improvise :D

man you have your point I have mine I failled to explain to you you olso failled to change my point so by do what you whant if they make paras well don't produce them

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It is not just having them for people to use to them, it is that it will waste the devs time when they could be doing much better stuff like SPAA or CV.

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All the new people heed this warning, you can't win an argument/debate will Bill. He's too stubborn. Although I think Paras would be nice I can't see much use unless I was to drop them on island where there is no immediate army unit to crush it. As Bill or someone pointed out, paras=Glorified Militia.

British=best. Duh!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN9EC3Gy6Nk

comrade dave wrote:

As Bill or someone pointed out, paras=Glorified Militia.
That was me. The much more common nickname that spread around, even amongst people who wanted them, was flying militia(which I came up with).
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a point of view like the powerful bombers even landed

but once solved para's will have a +1 objectif 2nd well propose those priorities in your opinion to them :)

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Flying Militia sounds about right, history has proven they're not as bad as you seem to claim Bill, but this thread is dead now so let's leave it as no new infantry unit.

British=best. Duh!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN9EC3Gy6Nk

Oh yay, a slow moving, weak unit. Fantastic. Who would want that to do the heavy lifting of their army...

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comrade dave wrote:

history has proven they're not as bad as you seem to claim Bill
I know, yeah. They are VERY good at dying though.
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I don't ... nan I won't argue again so MILITIAS ARE NOT PARAS

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We've all, except weak stomach over here, seen the final battle in saving private Ryan. Paras+ 20MM anti air gun= Dead Paras.

British=best. Duh!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN9EC3Gy6Nk
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