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I disagree, the provinces are pretty big so the cost makes sense. Maybe if you built them in a province which yields res before ones that don't it wouldn't be a problem. I have never found a problem with infrastructure. Now the indo comp seems like way too much, 5k of rare materials, a scarce resource.

We don't need more buildings.

thesweede wrote:

it is 7500 goods 7500 metal 5000 oil 2500 cash that is a large investment for a land that does not produce a product

Butter Ball Bill wrote:

the indo comp seems like way too much, 5k of rare materials, a scarce resource.

the reason to build in an empty province is movement of troops across large areas such as the Russian empire.

there are large provinces rapid troop movement can be the key to victory

Maybe just expand into smaller countries and use their factories? I have played as Russia and the large provinces are not a problem.

thesweede wrote:

the price of railroads I believe I way to high

they were a key roll in all combat in every war since the 1900s and here they are hard to build.

it is 7500 goods 7500 metal 5000 oil 2500 cash that is a large investment for a land that does not produce a product

I think that should be talked about some

maybe a new build

1 for roads and anther for railroads

Butter Ball Bill wrote:

I disagree, the provinces are pretty big so the cost makes sense. Maybe if you built them in a province which yields res before ones that don't it wouldn't be a problem. I have never found a problem with infrastructure. Now the indo comp seems like way too much, 5k of rare materials, a scarce resource.

We don't need more buildings.

Everyone is paying the same to build things, so even if we have cheap/expensive buildings/units everyone will be on a level playing field.

Sticky thread.

A infrastructure is cheap in the provinces with resources (pays for itself within 2 weeks) and too expensive for the good of a 50% speed bonus in the provinces without the resources. I guess, we could leave the cost of infrastructure and its resources bonus as it is just now and to raise the speed bonus.

For example.

We set a speed bonus for all units from 50% to 100% or even to 150% as in Supremacy but with maximal values, which depends on the level of infrastructure:

lvl1 - 70 kmh,

lvl2 - 90 kmh

lvl3 - 120 kmh

So our car armor and mechs cann't move with unrealistic speed 150-175 kmh.

I agree on what you say about the Industrial complex level 1 price is to high in rare materials

with the scarcity of resources of all kinds the price of trying to boost your income in a resource is hard enough

I think its perfect this way-so u dont place factories everywhere, just where they are usefull.

The industrial complex is a very important building and the key to build advanced units.

The idea is, that it is build only in a few key cities, not all over the map. Hence the first level is expensive, then afterwards the costs are going down. Lowing that costs in my opinion would make the Industrial Complex too easy to build and as a result there would be large amounts of advance units.

Industrial complex is also the best way to increase product production with resources hard to come by building up on the areas you have become major factors to victory

when you can only increase out put with industrial complex naval base and infrastructure

one of 3 things stops your building up your armed forces

food oil or pop

or those are what I have run into

Industry seems not to be a good choice for any of the conquered provinces.

Boost is great but you have that boost on permanent -75%, maybe not a good idea.

IMHO.

the more land you have the more you need to grow resource production. How can you grow your army with without spending on upgrades. Your core lands fully upgraded can only support so much then you have travel times to the front lines

it would be a wise to build industry complex on resource province and build a level 1 infrastructure just for the speed and nothing else on non-core, non-resource province and keep it on level 1. depends on how big,your army and territory is.

No, build it up where you need it. What I like to do is arrange my provinces by the resource they make in the provinces tab and let's say I am missing grain. I go into the tab and find what province 3 provinces make the most grain and heavily build those up. It works really well.

thesweede wrote:

the price of railroads I believe I way to high

they were a key roll in all combat in every war since the 1900s and here they are hard to build.

it is 7500 goods 7500 metal 5000 oil 2500 cash that is a large investment for a land that does not produce a product

In S1914 you can eventually build up a full rail network everywhere, although it takes time and resources. In this game, it's a virtual impossibility due to the great expense. Even more absurd, you have to build your infra in the tiny little urban provinces where the speed advantage is practically zero, and leave those very large provinces which could really use a speed boost entirely unimproved.

I think the first thing that needs to happen is that you should get a better than 20% speed boost for level 1 infra. I would say, 40 or 50% would be enough to make the investment worthwhile, but really, I think the whole system probably needs a rethink.

BenjB wrote:

The industrial complex is a very important building and the key to build advanced units.

The idea is, that it is build only in a few key cities, not all over the map. Hence the first level is expensive, then afterwards the costs are going down. Lowing that costs in my opinion would make the Industrial Complex too easy to build and as a result there would be large amounts of advance units.

True, technically you can build up that infrastructure to everywhere, because of the lack of upkeep for it, it's also cheap at level 1, but the speed level at +10% does make it quite slow.