Rivers and Lakes Access

On those maps that show things like the Great Lakes, shouldn't there be access between those lakes and the ocean? Perhaps with other mapping similarities also connected? :D

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Maybe, maybe not. As I said in other threads about the same thing, pretty much the only action that took place in rivers was the St Nazaire Raid.

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Pablo22510 wrote:

As I said in other threads about the same thing, pretty much the only action that took place in rivers was the St Nazaire Raid.
Ehm, there was naval combat in and around the mouth of a river or two in Argentina during WWII. As a result there are 1+ wrecks there now.

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Good suggestion.


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Only a slight historical problem with access to the Great Lakes. All ocean-going vessels had full access up to Montreal. After that, smaller ships were needed to go farther up the St. Lawrence canals and the Welland canal. Only in the late 1950's, both of those canals were expanded. ;(

I'm not sure of the size of ships but...

Wikipedia - Saint Lawrence Seaway wrote:

In 1871, locks on the Saint Lawrence allowed transit of vessels 186 ft (57 m) long, 44 ft 6 in (13.56 m) wide, and 9 ft (2.7 m) deep. The Welland Canal, constructed in 1830, at that time allowed transit of vessels 142 ft (43 m) long, 26 ft (7.9 m) wide, and 10 ft (3.0 m) deep, but it was generally too small to allow passage of larger ocean-going ships.

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I'm a big fan of this idea. Good suggestion my friend!

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I like this idea because my unit got built in the great lakes on my first game, and then I realized there wasn't a way out.

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Quasi-duck wrote:

Pablo22510 wrote:

As I said in other threads about the same thing, pretty much the only action that took place in rivers was the St Nazaire Raid.
Ehm, there was naval combat in and around the mouth of a river or two in Argentina during WWII. As a result there are 1+ wrecks there now.
True. Not much in Europe though. Maybe the Volga, but that's it.
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Pablo22510 wrote:

Not much in Europe though. Maybe the Volga, but that's it.
Ehm, what about the canals in Normandy? Maybe the Rhine? Plenty of river combat in WWII. The Dniepr maybe?

Quasi-duck wrote:

Ehm, what about the canals in Normandy? Maybe the Rhine? Plenty of river combat in WWII. The Dniepr maybe?
Ah, now I see where you're coming from. Yes, of course there was river-fighting. That's why I would like them implemented. However, I wouldn't like ships bing ranted access to rivers. That is what I'm saying didn't happen.
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Ah. Well, I would think PT boats would be a good addition.

Quasi-duck wrote:

Pablo22510 wrote:

Not much in Europe though. Maybe the Volga, but that's it.
Ehm, what about the canals in Normandy? Maybe the Rhine? Plenty of river combat in WWII. The Dniepr maybe?
Let us not forget the Thames river that goes up to London.

IISpikeII wrote:

Let us not forget the Thames river that goes up to London.
I don't think their was fighting in or around (excluding the aerial assaults) the Thames.

Quasi-duck wrote:

IISpikeII wrote:

Let us not forget the Thames river that goes up to London.
I don't think their was fighting in or around (excluding the aerial assaults) the Thames.
Yes, but there wasn't any fighting in many places on the map, but we can't play exactly as it should be.
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“Dad, how do soldiers killing each other solve the world's problems?”
― Bill Watterson, Calvin and Hobbes: Sunday Pages 1985-1995: An Exhibition Catalogue
"Rule 1, on page 1 of the book of war, is: 'Do not march on Moscow'… Rule 2 is: 'Do not go fighting with your land armies in China."
Bernard Law Montgomery, British general

Carl Wilson wrote:

Yes, but there wasn't any fighting in many places on the map, but we can't play exactly as it should be.
Pablo was making the point that it would be pointless since there was no river fighting, only land, sea, and air combat. I was arguing that there was plenty river combat. Then you said Thames.

rivers showing on the map and obstruct or slow the movement if armies would be a great addition.

MihailMD wrote:

rivers showing on the map and obstruct or slow the movement if armies would be a great addition.
Yes, and I completely agree with you there, but rivers should NOT be accessible for warships (yes for convoys).
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Pablo22510 wrote:

Yes, and I completely agree with you there, but rivers should NOT be accessible for warships (yes for convoys).
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Quasi-duck wrote:

Pablo22510 wrote:

Yes, and I completely agree with you there, but rivers should NOT be accessible for warships (yes for convoys).
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P.S. Pretty cool gif, Quasi.

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