So Much Metal, And Not A Drop Of Oil! (HWW Australia)

And don't forget that upgrading Industry demands an unequal amount of Oil.

Hence, upgrading Oil Industry in cities pays off less than upgrading Metal, increasing the disparity.

Not even mentioning That provincial Industry demands Food and Oil and no Metal at all.

Ofc it is alright and even somewhat realistic to have an Oil problem...

But what in Jeeves name is the purpose of that huge Metal surplus?

Going MENTAL over all that METAL!

All I can do with that Metal is sell to the AI buyers (a little bit) at 1.1 and (most) at 1.0, immediately after reset out of fear someone else will sell and I will be stuck with that rusty scrap heap.

Naturally, by that time, I can only buy Oil from AI too, which costs 30.0.

So, I am exchanging:

33 (30+10% commission) Metal for 0,9 (1-10% commission) Oil...

Which equals 330 Metal for 9 Oil !!!!!

So emersive...

So enticing...

So much more intelligent gameplay...

BULL CRAP!

It is bad design!

And if it is 'design' it is only meant for players to buy the missing resource with gold.

@Bytro Labs

As if that is working? Are your Blue Whales really that stupid?

Or are they also just quitting, like Belugas like me?

Not a penny from me to Bytro in 2025 and letting my HC run out, unless we get some real improvements instead of DOWNGRADES!

Fix the Resources

Fix the LAG

Fix the Rivers

Etc.

=> Mother of all Solutions: undo Resources Reforged Ruined

Btw, isn't that from Shakespeare?

"Metal, Metal Everywhere And Not A Drop Of Oil!"

vonlettowvorbeck wrote:

Btw, isn't that from Shakespeare?

"Metal, Metal Everywhere And Not A Drop Of Oil!"

metal is most useless resource in game

Pls find the poll below via link on resources and vote!

RESOURCES REFORG... erhh RUINED !!OBLIGATORY POLL!!

Someone actually voted "Yes"? What?

They are just trolling or idgits or both....

Beats me

Phillip Bosley wrote:

Someone actually voted "Yes"? What?

AnonymeggABC1234 wrote:

Phillip Bosley wrote:

Someone actually voted "Yes"? What?

Other opinions exist

There are people who - based on their own research on the internet - are of the opinion the world is flat.

They are entitled to their opnion, even when it is ridiculous.

I am entitled to my opinion, which is based in science ánd observations, about their ridiculous opinion

I have an opinion on the Resources Ruined Downgrade too.

Ofc, I always thought this was a strategy game that was meant to be the best; not the simplest.

What made COW unique was the combi of Chess, Go, A&A and WAW and you actually had to think things through.

For 'simple' there are plenty of choices already.

Besides that, you must have noticed :

- the Metal issue (...or non-issue) and the Oil constraints since the downgrade.

- that due to the limited rss combinations (F+M/F+O/M+O), 90% of unites are now simply a bad or very bad choice.

- strategy now just means 'hunt oil', instead of smart play, knowing your units, terrain, etc and use that tactically in a wider strategy.

If it is an improvement in someone's opinion, COW simply is not and was never a game for them.

What the downgrade will do, is drive away the real strategy players.

What it will not do, is attract and bind new players, bc the game is still too complicated and slow to compete with the flashy&fast Chinese money traps.

and I will now introduce you to the S1914 "Dominion Mesopotamia" map. Happy oil hunting guys.

You can b**** and moan about it, or you can take it as a challenge.

What can you build with metal? Battleships. Artillery. Rocket artillery. Foot infantry. Use your precious oil for units that have no oil free alternative. For example, interceptors. The rest of your army can be oil free. It's not that hard.

And do invest in oil industry in your core cities, with the limited oil you have right now. Your situation will improve over time. What you can't do is stubbornly build oil based units now. That would permanently limit your power. Take advantage of your strengths and learn to be flexible.

z00mz00m wrote:

You can b**** and moan about it, or you can take it as a challenge.

What can you build with metal? Battleships. Artillery. Rocket artillery. Foot infantry. Use your precious oil for units that have no oil free alternative. For example, interceptors. The rest of your army can be oil free. It's not that hard.

And do invest in oil industry in your core cities, with the limited oil you have right now. Your situation will improve over time. What you can't do is stubbornly build oil based units now. That would permanently limit your power. Take advantage of your strengths and learn to be flexible.

z00mz00m wrote:

You can b**** and moan about it, or you can take it as a challenge.

What can you build with metal? Battleships. Artillery. Rocket artillery. Foot infantry. Use your precious oil for units that have no oil free alternative. For example, interceptors. The rest of your army can be oil free. It's not that hard.

And do invest in oil industry in your core cities, with the limited oil you have right now. Your situation will improve over time. What you can't do is stubbornly build oil based units now. That would permanently limit your power. Take advantage of your strengths and learn to be flexible.

Or that the strategy element is out the window? I now roll over my enemies like a steamroller, bc the game has been dumbified so much.

Or that WBs help me and other 'not so bad players' 10x more than those who complained about gold and never developed a strategy against it?

When bad stuff happens, you have to speak up ... instead of swallowing another mouthfull.

When you don't, you are an accomplice.

This pertains not only to this game.

Happy new year!

I know you will have one, bc you just follow and swallow.

Undaunted wrote:

metal is most useless resource in game

That means I don't have to build any Industry on Metal for a long time, except when starting unlucky, but that means my surplus comes a little later and will only be bigger later on.

vonlettowvorbeck wrote:

Oh ... right....and that 9 out of 10 unit choices are now obsolete does not matter at all?

Most units in CoW are not useful to most players. That's always been true. Most players should never build a rocket, or a paratrooper, or a carrier, or a heavy tank. These are advanced units to be used as counters in specific game situations. Not useless, just... not recommended to anyone who needs help deciding what to build.

The resource changes have not affected this situation at all. Upgraded starting infantry is still the best early game unit. AC are still essential scouts. Rocket artillery and cruisers are still the most practical bombardment units, for most doctrines except Pan Asian.

What has made a difference is WB healing, which made early bomber use practical at the expense of all bombardment units that take hours - or days - to get into position.

Finally, resources have always been unbalanced. HWW had oil shortages. Normal maps had food and goods shortages. Metal and oil were going for 1 coin by day 12. We just have a slight redistribution of surpluses and deficits. The basic idea remains the same. Manage your economy. Adjust your build to the situation. Don't expect anything from the market. No difference.

Complain about WB and healing and sabotage spies. Those have made a real difference to game play, especially in competitive AvA games. Complaining that you want to complain about goods instead of oil deficits is just... a totally uninteresting take.

I already strongly complained about the issues you see as valid complaints.

Now again choices have been limited to fewer, alternatives are out the window, the market has become even less interesting with only 2 rss (as Metal does not matter) et cetera andsoforth.

The Resources Ruined downgrade is just ANOTHER one in a long line of downgrades since the advent of v1.5.

It all boils down to dumbification at the expense of the various strategy elements and 'realism'.

And thát is the point!

The market has never been interesting, and if you have stopped building RA or cruisers or any other go-to units, then you just don't know how to play CoW and likely never did.

z00mz00m wrote:

The market has never been interesting, and if you have stopped building RA or cruisers or any other go-to units, then you just don't know how to play CoW and likely never did.

I mean, I am about the bottom of the pile with;

- K/D 2,49

- Vic-rate of >72%

Thanks.

vonlettowvorbeck wrote:

z00mz00m wrote:

The market has never been interesting, and if you have stopped building RA or cruisers or any other go-to units, then you just don't know how to play CoW and likely never did.

Oh, I get it now.... That is why my scores suck so hard....I mean, I am about the bottom of the pile with;

- K/D 2,49

- Vic-rate of >72%

Thanks.