So Much Metal, And Not A Drop Of Oil! (HWW Australia)

27 Dec 2024, 20:57

In a game as Australia in HWW, I start with 8 cities. You would think that would be enough to ensure adequate production of all resources, but NO!

I have an outrageously enormous surplus of metal, but hardly enough oil! Right now I am producing over TWICE as much metal than oil! What kind of resource balancing is this?

Bytro said that they "fixed the Oil shortages" in their recent update. Well I say "B.S.!" Look at these figures:

(Note that it is day 1 and all cities are at 70 morale)

Urban Resource Spread

Food: 3 cities (1 double, 2 singles)

Metal: 3 cities (ALL DOUBLES)

Oil: 2 cities (1 double, 1 single

Current Resource Stock:

Food: 3.4K

Metal: 9.2K (!!)

Oil: 500

Current Resource Generation:

Food: 655/hr, 15905/day

Metal: 920/hr, 22647/day

Oil: 425/hr, 11423/day

That is a TON of metal! And worse yet, I can't trade it for oil! The lowest available oil offer in the market right now is 15 money per oil, and the highest metal sell offer right now is only 2 money per oil!

So basically, I'm left with a gigantic stash of metal that I don't seem to have any need or use for, and hardly a drop of oil left. Naturally, I thought of building and leveling up the industrial complex in my one oil producing double production city, but guess what that requires, OIL!!!

As Donald Trump might say, I have a "YUGE!" amount of metal.

Why on Earth would a country start with THREE double production cities of one resource and only one for each of the other two? That makes ZERO SENSE!!! C'mon Bytro! It doesn't take that high of an IQ to figure out how to properly balance the three resources. Give two resources two double production cities each, and the resource that only has one double production cities should get more single production cities to make up for it.

Phillip Bosley's proposed redesign of Australia's urban resource production:

Food: 3 total cities (2 double production cities, 1 single production city)

Metal: 2 total cities (2 double production cities)

Oil: 3 total cities (1 double production city, 2 single production cities)

With 100 morale and base production in all cities, we get:

Food: 2(6000) + 1(3000) = 12000 + 3000 = 15000/day

Metal: 2(6000) = 12000/day

Oil: 1(6000) + 2(3000) = 6000 + 6000 = 12000/day

MUCH BETTER!!! Note that these numbers are for base production value (without industry) and building the industry wouldn't be a hassle because guess what? You now have enough oil!

Bird brains...

God, I just wonder what the resource spread is like for major powers like the Soviet Union and Germany...

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4 Jan 2025, 19:49

Undaunted wrote:
vonlettowvorbeck wrote:
z00mz00m wrote:
The market has never been interesting, and if you have stopped building RA or cruisers or any other go-to units, then you just don't know how to play CoW and likely never did.
Oh, I get it now.... That is why my scores suck so hard....I mean, I am about the bottom of the pile with;
- K/D 2,49
- Vic-rate of >72%
Thanks.
ZoomZoom only can play 22p maps with 5 players from same alliance if they have 10 players from same alliance they try play to 100p map one time in a year and talking here about playing game correctly , it is funny

I guess he is the guy in the middle

...who will never catch it

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5 Jan 2025, 01:08

Guys, @z00mz00m previously said "Metal has become the most important resource, by far."

5 Jan 2025, 10:38

Phillip Bosley wrote:
Guys, @z00mz00m previously said "Metal has become the most important resource, by far."

outside of ships , metal is useless you don't need many metal to produce artillery or infantry you will have always metal stock which you cant use and no one want to buy them from you , you cant produce even rubbish tanks without oil

he likes to talking about everything like he is a rambo but he can't join to games without alliance even to small maps because if he lose 1-2 units it will effect his stats and he will start to cry

5 Jan 2025, 12:57

This is funny.

I'm currently playing the Blitzkrieg map and I'm constantly short on metal.

Shortages of resources are SUPPOSED to be present in any scenario, right? Why are you asking Bytro to stop dumbing down the game and at the same time you ask for a starting resource balance that allows you to play without thinking about balancing resources. Something quirking here!

5 Jan 2025, 14:20 (edited)

NoobNoobTrain wrote:
This is funny.
I'm currently playing the Blitzkrieg map and I'm constantly short on metal.
Shortages of resources are SUPPOSED to be present in any scenario, right? Why are you asking Bytro to stop dumbing down the game and at the same time you ask for a starting resource balance that allows you to play without thinking about balancing resources. Something quirking here!

I will talk about world war map 100p , there are 11 province to produce resources if you have only 2 oil province some of them rural and if you are not an island country especially if you are at asia basically continent have a very big area to fight and protect , what will you do to balance resources ?? spamming battleships ? can you produce planes while trying to build industry ? you have no oil you can have 1 million metal it is a dead country

while you are thinking about oil shortage greece north usa egypt UK are enjoying having 5 oil province

mostly submarines are better choices and guess what , submarines need oil

did you try to find oil from someone while playing as solo ?? it is impossible even at 100p map

yeah you can produce ships with borneo even he has less oil , try to play with north ural as solo next time

and you shouldn't ask to people who cant join to games if they haven't 10 ally to start a game

if we talk about small maps , it is small everything is slow and less not special to metal

9 Jan 2025, 21:47

Undaunted wrote:
outside of ships , metal is useless ...

That's why I made this thread.

9 Jan 2025, 22:06

Yeah, dummy!

9 Jan 2025, 22:06

WilhelmSchultz wrote:
Yeah, dummy!

If you don't have something nice to say, don't say it!

10 Jan 2025, 02:36

Pfah... Comrade Komrade makes it personal? Playing it on the man?

That is totally taffudged!

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10 Jan 2025, 03:16

Let's play a game. You tell me the map and starting country, I'll tell you what to build with minimum oil.

10 Jan 2025, 03:21

vonlettowvorbeck wrote:
Pfah... Comrade Komrade makes it personal? Playing it on the man?
That is totally taffudged!

@WilhelmSchultz made unnecessary rude comment (not the first time he's done that)

I was basically telling him to F off.

10 Jan 2025, 03:22

Also, what does taffudged mean, anyway?

10 Jan 2025, 03:45

Komrade Khrushchev wrote:
1. I was basically telling him to F off.

Komrade Khrushchev wrote:
2. Also, what does taffudged mean, anyway?

Ad1. Thát is rude!

Ad2. Ha! The taffudged forum powers act as if they don't know?

That trick is old and we - the overwhelming majority of forum denizens - won't fall for such attempts at deflection!

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10 Jan 2025, 03:50

z00mz00m wrote:
Let's play a game. You tell me the map and starting country, I'll tell you what to build with minimum oil.

Tell it here, so everyone can see how I tell you why that won't work very well.

But ofc you can go low-oil.

Have less industry, armor, planes or ships...

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10 Jan 2025, 04:33

vonlettowvorbeck wrote:
Komrade Khrushchev wrote:
1. I was basically telling him to F off.
Komrade Khrushchev wrote:
2. Also, what does taffudged mean, anyway?
Ad1. Thát is rude!
Ad2. Ha! The taffudged forum powers act as if they don't know?
That trick is old and we - the overwhelming majority of forum denizens - won't fall for such attempts at deflection!

I’m being rude... and he’s not?

Have you seen the remarks he’s made about Romanian people?

10 Jan 2025, 05:55

vonlettowvorbeck wrote:
z00mz00m wrote:
Let's play a game. You tell me the map and starting country, I'll tell you what to build with minimum oil.
Tell it here, so everyone can see how I tell you why that won't work very well.
But ofc you can go low-oil.
Have less industry, armor, planes or ships...

My point stands. Present me a single scenario where an oil deficit cannot be solved.

11 Jan 2025, 07:43

z00mz00m wrote:
vonlettowvorbeck wrote:
z00mz00m wrote:
Let's play a game. You tell me the map and starting country, I'll tell you what to build with minimum oil.
Tell it here, so everyone can see how I tell you why that won't work very well.But ofc you can go low-oil.
Have less industry, armor, planes or ships...
My point stands. Present me a single scenario where an oil deficit cannot be solved.

That so is NOT the complaint!

The point is:

- we get the Resources Ruined downgrade forced upon us with a twisted spin, as if it were an improvement.

- there is (and always was) a shortage of Oil for good players (and they always worked around it; it simply was/is a constraint)

but ...

- there now is a useless abundance of Metal in contrast to a relatively larger demand for Oil (bc there are only 3 rss left)

Thus what this downgrade factually does is increase scarcity.

The only purpose of this, is to entice players to buy rss with gold.

It is a cheap trick from the monetization handbook.

It is a downgrade of the game/product, while they try to push 'the price' up.

That simple.

But I will pay only for quality and many others think the same.

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11 Jan 2025, 22:22

Yes yes, I hear you, but present me a starting scenario where metal is "useless" and oil is "essential". Please, I am looking forward to the challenge.

11 Jan 2025, 22:42 (edited)

z00mz00m wrote:
Yes yes, I hear you, but present me a starting scenario where metal is "useless" and oil is "essential". Please, I am looking forward to the challenge.

Literally every scenario has a huge surplus of Metal and a shortage of Oil.

Even when starting with a country like Yugoslavia on a Blitz map (the only scenario where I encountered a need for Metal and bought form the Market), any Metal issue is turned into surplus within Day 1, when you take Budapest and/or Sofia and/or Tirana.

There is not a recent game (and all victorious!), played on various maps, where investment in Metal production is a priority. Only when Food and Oil are exceeding Metal production by some 50%, Metal starts lagging.

The point is not that there are constraints, like Oil.

The point is the character of the downgrade, resulting in removal of an entire layer of gameplay and a mega-surplus of Metal vs a (relative) increased scarcity overall, due to only 3 rss-combinations needed for each and every building, research or production.

Now, for the big question: How is thus anything true of the statement that came with the release of the downgrade? (there are very good threads pinpointing all the bogus in that release).

Did anything they promised materialize? Is the game better, more fulfilling, enticing?

No, it is a lesser game in all aspects.

The thing that clearly has changed: an increased (relative) scarcity of rss.

And due to increased (relative) scarcity, certain players will be induced to buy rss with gold!

Hence, it all is just another move towards P2W-only. A shortsighted monetization campaign, which will kill the game in the long run. Or ... do you know of any P2W startegy game that lasted longer than 2-3 years?

So, if you support that as a player, you help digging the grave for this game.

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11 Jan 2025, 23:00

NoobNoobTrain wrote:
This is funny.
I'm currently playing the Blitzkrieg map and I'm constantly short on metal.
Shortages of resources are SUPPOSED to be present in any scenario, right? Why are you asking Bytro to stop dumbing down the game and at the same time you ask for a starting resource balance that allows you to play without thinking about balancing resources. Something quirking here!

Which country you started with ?

And... did your Metal situation still persist after Day1 or 2 or did it turn into a surplus already?

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