Destroyers and subs are good to sink subs ... Naval bombers are good to sink subs, but not as good as tac or strategic bombers when attacking ground units ... 
25 Jan 2020, 05:13
submarine warfare and detection
destroyers should be able to detect submarines subs they are super over powered till someone makes naval bombers while making destroyers would balance it early on
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25 Jan 2020, 14:04
Unfortunately, when the sub attacks first which mostly happens, it wins a destroyer of the same level.
1 Feb 2020, 16:57
Well, you're exaggerating a bit. But taking into consideration that a destroyer is about 40% or 45% more costly than a submarine, it's indeed not a good idea to send a destroyer into a 1-to-1 duel with a submarine (unless submarine is busy in another fight and you can attack it by range, of course).Ryan04px2025 wrote:
Unfortunately, when the sub attacks first which mostly happens, it wins a destroyer of the same level.
Which makes subs a bit overpowered, in my opinion (their additional abilities as scouts and for surprising enemies have already been outlined). My favourite nerf for them would be to drastically reduce their sight on land, because that's the one capability they have in the game which is totally unrealistic. But certainly difficult or impossible to implement that |-:
That's a pretty reasonable thought. But certainly also very difficult from implementation perspective.Peter Mat wrote:
Sounds like what you suggest is to do away with any ranged attack versus subs, as the destroyers 5" gun would be useless. Therefore reprogramming destroyers to only have ranged attack versus surface ships. That would make sense.
2 Feb 2020, 02:51
Yes I am exaggerating a bit but if you check unit stats the probably is the case. Of course, there are the unpredictable Mr. X but other than that... The destroyer will not win. Submarines are great for me in the last game I was playing because they are at high level and they sink many ships of the UK which ended with 60, 000 casualties. Although it benefits me for submarines to be powerful, I think it makes thing too easy when submarines attack convoys and destroyers which are meant to destroy them.
2 Feb 2020, 17:10
Any time I've used destroyers, I've never had an issue with subs. Of course, I get 'em to level 7 ASAP, which makes them god-tier sub hunters.
3 Feb 2020, 01:39
Lets say I have my subs at level 7 too. 
3 Feb 2020, 14:47
My navy IS ENTIRELY MADE OF SUBMARINES
3 Feb 2020, 18:37
You're wasting resources at that point. Level 7 subs can and will be trumped by level 7 destroyers. Hell, a level 1 naval bomber would do the trick too. If you're getting subs, I honestly wouldn't go higher than level 4, and I'd stick to recon and yeeting transports. Otherwise known as, what they were designed to do in the first place.Ryan04px2025 wrote:
Lets say I have my subs at level 7 too.
3 Feb 2020, 18:45
i think it is good that only the naval bombers can detect submairnes, bit i would suggest that make the nuklear submarines undetectable even with naval bombers, since a nuke submarine does not need to go to the surface.
5 Feb 2020, 03:45
Yeah probably but I will go for medium level subs.JesterTheSheep wrote:
You're wasting resources at that point. Level 7 subs can and will be trumped by level 7 destroyers. Hell, a level 1 naval bomber would do the trick too. If you're getting subs, I honestly wouldn't go higher than level 4, and I'd stick to recon and yeeting transports. Otherwise known as, what they were designed to do in the first place.Ryan04px2025 wrote:
Lets say I have my subs at level 7 too.
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