Veteran Units

Have you seen how many of our men die every day? After a week we will have none of the original men.

It makes sense in my eyes. I like the idea behind it. Although it should be given to units that have been in a lot of battles, however.

Or you could base it off units killed.

That could also work. I think the best bet might be a combination of the two.

I agree with this idea, although BBB has a point. Many units get killed in battle and most of them wouldn't live to get much experience.

So infantry has 1k men in it and 300 men die every day. Both too many men, it is more like para losses and a units originals die in around 3-4 days. Less than a junior officer's life in the trenches during WWI at some points. Which was pretty short I believe, only a couple weeks.

Tank units however (such as the Real life SS 'Wiking' Panzer Div) and Air units (UK 617 Squadron) all gained great experience over time. SS Wiking became feared by the allies due to its combat prowess.

I agree with the units, but I must agree with Bill, Infantry takes alot of damage

I was just about to say how we lose 1k troops in 1 and 1/3 days. Then I saw your last sentence. We lose too many men, our troops must be trigger happy and patrol all over the camps we have.

Veterans will be hard to actually attain for our boys, they die every day without even doing anything (there manpower upkeep is high for a reason) tanks can potentially be veterans, but I hate to say it there dead, even ships and planes.

I'm thinking of a separate unit, Veterans in between infantry and commandos to make sure we get the highest result of combat outside commandos, what you guys think?

Are you saying we build veterans from scratch? If you are, let me let you in on a little secret: It doesn't work like that.

Could you explain a little better please?

Soldiers who survive combat for a long time become veterans, some veterans stayed in their units while others were grouped together.

veterans from numerous army units will be grouped together to form a new army unit full of veteran units, soldiers who experienced combat in one unit, that's a neat idea but in-game where making form scrach so...this one is a failed idea.

Have you guys not taken into consideration that the more battles your troops have fought, the harder it will be for them to die? They should gain experience on a per battle, per unit killed basis. That way your men don't die as quick and they have a lifespan longer than just 2 days.

IISpikeII wrote:

Have you guys not taken into consideration that the more battles your troops have fought, the harder it will be for them to die? They should gain experience on a per battle, per unit killed basis. That way your men don't die as quick and they have a lifespan longer than just 2 days.

I once had 20 tac bombers that had more than 70 kills. Then they levelled up and their kills were gone. This problem should be addressed before this is put in since levelling up units would screw up the entire system.

a little advantage for few killed units could be ok, not overpowered. for first 10 units +1 hp restore every day, for 25 killed unit + 3 hp restore every day, for 50 --> +5 hp restore, 100 --> +7.

That sounds good. Maybe morale too?

I think morale should stay the same, sure they survive many battles but they need rest too.

Morale is based on HP, though. What I suggest is that the steady increases should be an added bonus regardless of the province's morale that they are in.

I like the idea about veteran units. It does have historical grounds: in WW2 some units lost more than their total strength, but were very experienced units. How is that possible? Usually, the new guys got the hits, while the experienced ones kept on surviving, battle after battle.

Now, how I think this system should work: add a new field to an unit - experience. This would be from 0 to 100, with 0 being the new unit and 100 being a unit twice as effective as the base unit - 2 x attack.

How would this be determined? Based on the strength ratio of the units involved in the battle. Let's say 1 infantry unit attacks my own infantry. Both same level, morale 100%. After the battle, my unit will still stand. It will have the experience of 100. But it's morale will be pretty low - I don't know the exact figures, did not test this, but let's say may unit is left at 25%. So, 25% morale, 100 experience. While it gets replenished, of course the new guys (0 exp) drive the experience down - so, by the time it gets full again, it will have only 25 experience.

When units combine into larger ones, the resulting experience is computed based on relative size and strength. It is probably best to keep it different for each unit type - just like the morale is right now.

Doesn't sound half bad.